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Corteva, Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Corteva Agriscience 3rd Quarter 2026 Earnings Conference Call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I will now hand the conference over to Hafa Sorez, Head of Investor Relations. Hafa, please go ahead.
Hafa Sorez
Head of Investor Relations, Corteva Agriscience
Good morning and welcome to Corteva's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Our prepared remarks today will be led by Luke Hassam, Chief Executive Officer, and Jeff Rudolph, Chief Financial Officer. We have prepared presentation slides to supplement our remarks during this call, which are posted on the Investor Relations section of the Corteva website and through the link to our webcast. During this call, we'll make before-looking statements with our expectations about the future. These statements are based upon current expectations and assumptions that are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Our actual results could materially differ from these statements due to these risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to those discussed on this call and in the risk factor section of our reports filed with the SEC. We do not undertake any duty to update any forward-looking statements. Please note, in today's presentation, we'll be making reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures. EBITDA means Adjusted Performa Operating EBITDA, and sales refers to Performa Net Sales. Reconciliations of the non-GAAP measures can be found in our earnings press release and related sketches, along with our supplemental financial summaries like that available on our Investor Relations website. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Luke.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Thanks, Hoffa, and good morning, everybody. Thanks for joining us. This is our first earnings call as a standalone company, so I want to start with the strategy we laid out at our recent investor day and how it played out in the quarter. In September, we said this chapter would be defined by innovation and execution. This quarter gave us clear proof points on both. The exception to that is Brazil, which I will unpack a bit more in a moment. Starting with innovations. New product volumes grew 20% in the quarter with growth in every region, and price was relatively stable for this group of products. Our business outside of Latin America performed roughly in line with expectations in a challenge operating environment. We generated growth across North America, EMEA, and Asia Pacific. While pricing was down 12% in North America in the quarter, All of that headwind was caused by pricing actions related to Acetacor, which we forewarned at investor day. Productivity came in ahead of our expectations in the quarter, and we were on track to deliver our target for the year. We also brought SCNA spending down in the quarter as teams exercised good discipline on spend relative to our operating environment. and even as we took costs out, we increased our investment in R&D to keep advancing our pipeline, which is one of the real strengths of this company. Through the first nine months of the year, we've maintained operating EBITDA levels flat the prior year and expanded EBITDA margins despite absorbing approximately $230 million in pricing headwinds. On capital deployment, our board declared our first quarterly dividend as a standalone company, which is an important aspect of our capital allocation priorities. We remain on track for our targeted year-end tax position of roughly $1.5 billion. So a lot's going well, and it's aligned with the strategy we previously laid out. I'm encouraged by that. But Brazil is the exception, so let me spend a few minutes there. Brazil was already a difficult market, but grower economics, high interest rates, currency impacts, and El Nino weather patterns made a difficult market even more challenging. Market conditions deteriorated sharply in the final weeks of the third quarter, and we've continued to see negative developments since then. Latin America organic sales were down 31% in the quarter, which more than offset the growth we delivered everywhere else. Uncertainty in that market remains elevated. We did not anticipate the magnitude nor the speed of the deterioration we have experienced in Brazil, and part of that was more specific to Corteva. While the September 30 market data would indicate that we are maintaining share on the farm this year, too much of the product we sold into the Brazil channel last year didn't go to ground. As a result, we came into this year with more of our own inventory in the channel than expected. And when purchasing slowed, that overhang created a bigger headwind for us. We own that, and we're taking steps to address the issue. So while I'm encouraged by the execution of our strategy in the quarter, the pressure in Brazil remains significant. Despite holding year-to-year EBITDA levels flat the prior year through the third quarter, We have adjusted our expectations for the full year due to what we are seeing in Brazil. Jeff will talk more about the specifics on guides shortly. Now let me turn to the market because it explains both sides of the story. The best word I have for this market is mixed. On the farm, demand is holding up. Applications remain pretty strong and growers are still focused on maximizing yield. However, in some areas, Grower economics are under pressure and growers are being careful about what they spend and when they spend it. The channel is doing the same thing. Distributors are managing working capital tightly and ordering is increasingly just in time. That's why you have to separate what's happening on the farm from what's happening in the purchase cycle. The demand is there. What has changed is when people buy, and how much inventory they're willing to carry. Pricing is the other piece. The market remains competitive in older, off-patent molecules. Pricing pressure is real, but as I have said previously, it's not new. How we anticipate and or respond to those pricing pressures, as we did in the quarter with respect to Acetochor in North America, is what will matter longer term. Where we have differentiated solutions, it's a totally different story. Products like Aerolex, a multi-crop herbicide, and Paraxalt, an insecticide, have both experienced year-over-year volume growth north of 20%. And these are meaningful products with combined annual revenue of around $650 million. At the end of the day, the business performed in line with growth expectations everywhere other than Brazil. As a result, I am even more convinced we have the right strategy. We need to address Brazil, and it's a top priority for me and the leadership team to find the best approach for Corteva relative to that market. With that, I'll turn it over to Jeff for more details on the financials.
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Thanks, Luke, and welcome everyone to the call this morning. Let's start on slide six. which provides our adjusted pro forma results for the third quarter and year-to-date. As Luke said, in many ways we had two very different quarters, solid execution against our plan across most of the world, and a Brazil market that got significantly worse. You'll see both in the numbers. For the third quarter, net sales were $1.6 billion, down 9% versus the prior year on both a reported and organic basis. Operating EBITDA was $222 million, down 17%, and operating EBITDA margin was 14%, down 140 basis points. Price was the largest headwind. It was concentrated in U.S. acetic chlor, which we anticipated and signaled as part of our previous comments, and in Brazil, where generics were pressuring several molecules late in their life cycle. On top of that, delayed purchasing, in conjunction with elevated channel inventories in Brazil, drove volumes sharply lower. Now, what did not change was demand for our new technologies. New products grew in every region, and productivity again ran ahead of our expectations. Together, with a modest benefit from currency, that offset a good part of the price pressure in the quarter. Now, focusing on year-to-date, net sales were $5.4 billion, down 1% compared to last year, and organic sales were down 4% on lower pricing. Operating EBITDA was $943 million, essentially flat with last year. The margins expanded by 30 basis points, despite more than approximately $230 million of pricing headwinds. New product growth, productivity, and currency were significant benefits through the first nine months of the year. As we've laid out at our investor day, the combination of new products and productivity have largely been our algorithm for driving performance in a challenging market environment. Let's now go to slide seven, which breaks down net sales by region for the third quarter. This is where you can really see the two distinct outcomes for the quarter mentioned previously. First, we saw solid execution against our plan outside of Latin America. Our strategy is to deliver value for our customers and drive growth with new and differentiated technologies, and you can see that proof in the results. For example, North America sales were up 7%, with volume up 19%. Early demand for our differentiated products drove those volume gains and more than offset lower price. As we signaled earlier this year, the anticipated price pressure was concentrated in Acetochlor, which essentially drove all of the price headwind in North America. Growers here remain focused on maximizing yield and return on investment, and application rates are healthy. EMEA grew 12% in the quarter, or 14% on an organic basis. Volume was up 14%, driven by Airlex and early demand for seed treatment, and we held price flat in the competitive markets. We delivered a similar trend for the year-to-date performance, with positive organic growth despite a challenging market backdrop due to weather-related impacts from dry and hot conditions across much of Europe. Asia Pacific grew 3% or 5% organically, with volume up 7%. Demand for new products remained strong, and the team navigated difficult weather in several key markets, including India. Now, in contrast, Latin America was a very different outcome in the quarter. We knew coming in that it would be a difficult market, and it got harder as the quarter went on. Growers are dealing with weather impacts from El Nino and high interest rates and tight liquidity across the market, and the industry remains under heavy pressure from generics. With expensive credit and tight liquidity, growers and distributors delayed their purchases while we also worked through our elevated channel inventories. For Latin America overall, this resulted in volume declines of 24% and price down 7%. The pressure intensified in the final days of September, and conditions have continued to move in the wrong direction since then. So Latin America's sales were down about $220 million, more than offsetting roughly $70 million of growth across the rest of the world. And Latin America was about 45% of our third quarter sales last year, so a decline of that size outweighs a lot of good work elsewhere. Let's move to slide eight and the operating EBITDA bridge for the quarter. Operating EBITDA was $222 million, Thank you for watching. Moving to cost, the teams continue to execute well on items within our control. Specifically, cost of goods sold productivity and lower SG&A spending more than covered increased investments in R&D to advance our leading pipeline, resulting in a net benefit of $67 million for the quarter alone. Taking a step back, the bridge tells a similar story as the regional slide. The pressure is concentrated in a handful of molecules and one particular market. and the value drivers of our strategy, including new product penetration and productivity, are delivering. Let's go to slide nine and our updated outlook for the full year. At our investor day in September, we estimated 2026 standalone operating EBITDA of about $1.3 billion. Today, we are updating that estimate to a range of $1.1 to $1.125 billion for the full year. The update reflects the realities of Brazil. Thank you for joining us. and we estimate that the full year EBITDA impact related to elevated channel inventory is approximately $100 million. On that basis, full year operating EBITDA is expected to be down 12% versus last year at the midpoint, with operating EBITDA margin of about 15% for the year. This would imply a fourth quarter EBITDA that is now expected to be about half of 2025 levels on an adjusted pro forma basis, given the significance of Brazil to our fourth quarter results. When operating EPS, we expect full year to be in the range of $0.76 to $0.80 per share, up about 3% at the midpoint, helped by lower operating income tax expense when compared to the adjusted pro forma period last year. Now, clearly, this is a meaningful change from expectations, but what I don't want to get lost is how the rest of the business is performing outside of Brazil. We are executing well in a tough market, and we are controlling what we can control. Productivity savings are on track for the year, and apart from separation-related items such as higher IT costs, we are managing SG&A spending tightly. With that, let me turn it back to Luke for some final key takeaways before we move to Q&A.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Thanks, Jeff. Let me close with three points. First, as shown by the growth in new product sales, our innovation strategy is working, and our pipeline is as good as any in the industry. It's clear that farmers will invest in differentiated solutions when it creates value for them. Second, it's a tale of different markets. North America, EMEA, and Asia all delivered organic growth in the quarter, performing as expected. Brazil disappointed. Some of that was caused by the overall market conditions, and some was caused by our elevated inventory levels from the last growing season. I expect the inventory levels in Brazil to be the more acceptable level by the end of their growing season, but that will weigh on our fourth quarter results. Our leadership team is focused on finding the best structure for us to remain competitive in Brazil while meeting our profit expectations. We'll keep you updated on that progress. Third, we are focused on controlling matters within our control, such as cost of goods sold, productivity, and spending. Earlier this month, we kicked off work with a third party to critically examine our cost structure and ways in which we can operate more efficiently. As I said in September, we simply cannot afford the infrastructure we inherited. We are looking at our processes, infrastructure, working capital levels, complexity, and where technology and automation can make us more efficient from a cost and from a cash perspective. It's very early days, but I am optimistic about the opportunities. I also want to understand how much of the opportunity we capture versus reinvest behind accelerating growth of differentiated products. But what is clear is that cost actions will certainly need to be taken. So, we know what we have to do. Keep innovating. Drive productivity. Make sure our channel inventory levels are appropriate and take cost and complexity out of the business. Outside of Brazil, this business is doing what it's built to do. In Brazil, we're managing through a tough market the right way. That will remain our focus. I look forward to your questions.
Hafa Sorez
Head of Investor Relations, Corteva Agriscience
Now, let's move on to your questions. I would like to remind you that our cautions on forward-looking statements and non-GAAP measures apply to both our prepared remarks and the following Q&A. Operator, please provide the Q&A instructions.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Vincent Andrews with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open, Vincent. Please go ahead.
Vincent Andrews
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Thank you and good morning, everyone. Luke, I'm wondering if I could just ask you, do you think it's appropriate to think about it this way? If we were to bifurcate your business between Brazil and then everywhere else, would it be fair to say that everywhere else was still operating within a reasonable band of the outlook, the multi-year outlook you provided at the analyst day. But it's Brazil where we have to reassess what the earnings power is on a go-forward basis. Do you think that's a fair framework for this point in time?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Vincent, I do think that's a fair framework. If you look, we had growth in each of the other three world areas in spite of this, see the core pricing headwinds that we saw in North America. So I feel like we're on target for those areas. And Brazil is the major weak spot. And we're going to see that. Unfortunately, you know, the selling season in Brazil is the third and fourth quarters. And that's what we've got going in. And we've got a lot of work to do there to fix it.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Parkinson with Wolf Research. Your line is open, Chris. Please go ahead.
Chris Parkinson
Analyst, Wolfe Research
Great. Thank you so much. I just want to take a step back on the effect on North American pricing and what's going on in the agri-oil. I'm aware that two of the major European competitors had kind of competing products, one direct, one indirect, in terms of that classification of the herbicide market. They took action, and you acted in consequence. When I think about the cadence of those effects in your portfolio, the balance of this year, and more importantly, into 2027, what can you do to actually mitigate that? Are you getting prices in other areas of your portfolio? Is there anything in terms of selling patterns and when that's actually built in the channel and then ultimately distributed to the farmers? What clarity can you give us to make sure that we get that right into 2027? Thank you so much.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, hey, that's a great question. As I said in September, we're going to see a year-over-year price decline in North America related to seeded corn in the third quarter and the fourth quarter. We'll also see a little bit of it in the first quarter, but then the second quarter of 2027, it'll be, I would say, minimal where we are today. So the way you ought to look at it is, will see about the same amount as we saw in the third quarter. In the fourth quarter, maybe a little bit more, but right around that same amount would be my anticipation. And then it will taper off into the first quarter and taper off again into the second quarter of 2027. What we're able to do there is we actually got some additional volume across that. We've got new product sales that are driving good productivity there. They were up. I think 20% in the third quarter and year-to-date volume and new product sales were up 14% and they've taken some cost action in North America. So taking some good action there, but you're right that we'll see it again in the fourth quarter, less in the first of 27, even less in the second quarter of 27.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Kevin McCarthy with Vertical Research Partners. Your line is open, Kevin. Please go ahead.
Kevin McCarthy
Analyst, Vertical Research Partners
Thank you very much. I was wondering if you might comment on the level of destocking in the channel for crop protection chemicals versus lower pounds on the ground, as they say in the jargon. In other words, were the end users applying fewer pounds of product, or is it strictly a channel inventory management issue, and might that answer vary by region?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
So it would certainly vary by region, significantly by region. So let's talk about Brazil since that's the problem spot, Kevin, just for a second. If you look year to date, the sellout market in Brazil is down roughly 12%, which would be the equivalent of $1 billion. So the sellout is not occurring in Brazil like it has in the past, number one. If you look at market data, the black box data, through the end of September, Corteva has not lost share in the Brazilian market. Our own-the-farm applications are good. And I want to be really clear, Kevin. I'm talking about own-farm applications, okay? So we're maintaining share at the farm gate. But what we are seeing is we had more inventory in the Brazilian channel than maybe others did. I don't quite know what all they had. But what I can tell you is we think we had roughly $250 million of revenue more in 2020 coming out of 2025 growing season coming into this. And we can't sell more into the channels. There are other things we could do. Let's be clear. I could give credit terms to some of the distributors down there, but they're already past due. If they're already past due, it's not good business sense to give more credit, so I'm not doing that. We lost some opportunities there. We could give extended payment terms. that people are asking for. I'm not willing to go out really past the crop season and give them payment terms. I don't think that's a good business model, so we're not doing that. And, look, I could try to take – and there are other places to sell product. I could push product into North America, into Europe, and other places like that. That's not the right way to run the business, and that's not how we're going to run this business. All it does is take a problem that is in Brazil and expands it to other areas of the world, and I'm not willing to do it. We've taken the position that we're going to take our medicine in Brazil and go forward, but if you look around the rest of the world, we don't see that same type of stocking that we've seen in Brazil. I'm not as concerned about that in 2027, and we really got to focus on it now. There is a lot of closer to just-in-time ordering, and one of the issues we have is so much of our Revenue, a disproportionate portion of our revenue comes in in the last 10 days of the quarter. And that's the way the business has always operated. It's mind-numbing, but that's what happens. and so I don't believe that we've got an issue in inventory anywhere else outside of Brazil. We've seen that. We're taking steps to address it. I believe that the inventory levels will be back to where they traditionally would be in Brazil by the end of their current growing season.
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Kevin, it's Jeff. Just to be clear to Adam and Luke's comments, when you think about the change in our guide for the full year, it is 100% Brazil-driven, right? There's not other areas of the market we're seeing softness that we're tucking into that reduction for the full year, the roughly call it $200 million of EBITDA. It is really the incremental, or I should say reduced volume expectations coming out of Brazil because of this channel matter, along with Luke's comments and what we said in our prepared remarks. About half of that $200 million will be tied to that. And the other $100 million is because of other market weakness, including for the price erosion that we're seeing in that market that is widespread. Just to be very clear, it is a Brazil-concentrated issue.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
And to add on to that, the price that we're seeing in Brazil, 80% of the price headwinds in Brazil are related to five products. So it's a handful of products in Brazil on price. It is our inventory levels that we had coming out of 2025 are what are driving the problems in Brazil for the second half of the year.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Sikowskas with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open, Jeff. Please go ahead.
Jeff Sikowskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan
Thanks very much. You talked about the price pressure in North America coming from Cedacor. In the quarter, that would have been about, I don't know, $65 million. You think that there's the same thing in the fourth quarter? So that's $130 million? You know, what's the size of the Acetochor business, and why doesn't it affect the second quarter of next year, since your price decrease seems to have begun in this quarter?
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Go ahead. Jeff, hey, it's Jeff here. Good question, right? So I think your math is pretty close. For the third quarter, the, call it $120 million price headwind that we experienced, Roughly half of that is U.S. Acetacor driven, so about $60 million. For the fourth quarter, right, we are going to see, call it another step down in overall pricing from third quarter into fourth quarter. A lot of that's driven by Brazil, but there is going to be a headwind in fourth quarter, excuse me, related to Acetacor, but not at the $60 million level. Closer to that, you know, $40-ish million level, and obviously that is going to be factored in our guide right now. If we get into next year, we're not going to see as much of that because our third quarter impact reflected some of the adjustment where we were through the year, right? So we're going to have a little bit of that in terms of year-to-year in the first quarter. But once we get to second quarter, we're going to be mostly trued up with what the price is at the channel level, and we shouldn't be facing year-to-year headwinds. We've looked at this a bunch of different ways. You're asking the same questions that we've asked the team a dozen times, and we feel good about that. And as far as you calibrate it in terms of how I just described it.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Joel Jackson with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open, Joel. Please go ahead.
Joel Jackson
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets
Hi. Good morning. Thanks for doing the call. Luke, you talked very strongly in your remarks, I believe, maybe some of the Q&A answer, too, about needing to address Brazil, need to address cost infrastructure. Can you, I understand you're just starting to engage third parties, but can you give us a flavor of some of the things that you're thinking about? to give us an idea of what you can do over the next year or two to address the things you're talking about. Thanks.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, so I'll tell you, as of right now, we've got a hiring freeze, so we're not hiring new people. We've got a spending, we've tightened down SG&A spending. You can see that in the third quarter. We are looking to prioritize projects. You know, rather than apply 80% of The cost in spreading that across all the projects, what we're doing is some of the projects that we have, for instance, in R&D, we're going to slow down for a year. We're going to take a year off. We're going to put them on the shelf, and then we're going to really focus on the one so that our spending is focused and delivers the biggest bang for our bucks in that short period of time. So we're making priority decisions. As you look longer term, the way in which we work, this infrastructure has to change. We need to simplify our processes. We need to stop doing some things. And we need to work our... Our process is just with a white sheet of paper and change the way that we think about doing it. Once we do that and simplify it, we can put technology and AI on the top of it to further drive our costs down, to further gain better insights. So it's not going to happen in a quarter. That's something that that transformation is going to take place over the next four to six to eight quarters. But I also know I've got costs that I've got to go look at for the fourth quarter as well as for early next year. And we're in process of looking at that, and we'll share more about that with you at our next earnings call.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of David Begleiter with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open, David. Please go ahead. Thank you.
David Begleiter / Frank Mitch
Analysts, Deutsche Bank / Sirmium Research
Good morning. Good morning. Luke, on Aceticlor, any more color on your U.S. strategy going forward? I know Brazil's is a tough market, but maybe there's a path forward for U.S. Aceticlor. Thank you.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, I think you could see that the U.S., you know, we took a big hit in the quarter, and our seeded core volumes were fine. If you looked at that, we're very competitive in the market. We'll continue to be competitive in the market. Our price in the U.S. on the seeded core is as good as anybody's. Thank you for joining us. that I think the distribution is going to like. So I think they've got a good strategy there, but we're managing through the life cycle of that product. That's been a product that's been around for a long time, and we've got to manage through that cycle. So I feel good about where we are with that. I also think that in North America, you can look at what they did in the third quarter. They overcame that and still were able to grow their market. So I feel good about where we are in North America. I actually feel good about where we are everywhere in the world and the methods that they're using, the products they're doing, their interaction with growers, the new product growth that we're seeing everywhere in the world. We got a problem in Brazil that we got to fix. So I'm not... That is going to be my focus. What do we do in Brazil? How do we get more effective down there? How do we get more efficient so that we can be in what is a very important agricultural market and at the same time make money and the profitability that we and our stakeholders expect us to make in that country?
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Matthew Deal with Bank of America. Your line is open, Matthew. Please go ahead.
Matthew Deal
Analyst, Bank of America
uh look luke i mean everyone at corteva is obviously focused on growth and i don't want to seem reactionary but like simplistically is brazil a market you need to compete in longer term and i know normalized revenue basis is a big volume market but from like a return on capital time cash conversion is it worth it some of your broader ag peers are saying maybe it's not and Maybe that's too much, right? Or would you fast-track just product exit? You mentioned five key products there causing a lot of headwinds, but do you have to be there in that capacity?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah. So I think that is the very question that I've asked, okay? Let's be clear. I'm not going to do anything if we can't make money. We're not. We're in the business of making money. We're in the business of growth. We're in the business of delivering returns for our shareholders. And if we can't do something toward that goal, we're not going to do it. Now, one of the issues that you have to face on that is you've got to look at all the data. That is a big volume country for investors. Herbicides and crop protection products. If you are out of that product and you don't have that volume, what does that do to your cost in other areas of the world for those similar products? And are you competitive? Now, so then you go down a step. It's okay, well, if you need to be in that country for a whole lot of reasons – You know, do we have the right structure in place? Do we need the infrastructure that we have down there? Is there another way to go to market? Do we go, you know, we go direct, we go to co-ops, we go through distribution. Do we need all of that? What is the right approach? What's the right sales approach? So the question that you just asked me has been asked of the team. And we have to go in and look at it in a methodical way, not get emotional, not be reactionary, and pull all that data apart so that we understand if we push the balloon over here, where does it pop out over there and how do we do that? But I want you to have the confidence that we are leaving no stone unturned in that market and any other market.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Kristen Owen with Oppenheimer. Your line is open, Kristen. Please go ahead.
Kristen Owen
Analyst, Oppenheimer
Hi, good morning. Thank you for the question. Maybe help me with what's happening on the biological side. I think I can understand a lot of the channel dynamics. I tend to think about this being a product line where you don't get a lot of that destock restock. So can you maybe walk us through if there was some knock-on effect that impacted biologicals or just some additional color there would be helpful. Thank you.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, let me start it real high, and then I'll turn it over here to Jeff and Brooke. But first of all, a disproportionate portion of our biologicals was in Brazil. So when Brazil takes the hit that it did, biologicals take a similar hit at a high, high level. And then Jeff or Brooke, one of y'all...
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, hey, Kristen. You're right. I mean, we look at the numbers in the quarter. Obviously, volumes were down, and they were also down year-to-date. And as Luke said, it's really the Brazil issue. And as you recall, you know, with the acquisitions we did a few years ago to really establish ourselves as a market leader in this space, we have a large concentration to the Latin American market, right, which is a good thing because it's where we're seeing some of the best adoption rates in the industry. But what it does is it exposes us to market dislocations that we're experiencing right now across the industry. So when we see, you know, sellout or POG slowing down versus last year, it's going to impact our bonds, too. So everything kind of slows down. So we have some timing, but certainly biologicals, you know, are not immune to the market forces. So you have a lot of considerations at the farm level around Investment Choices, and this may be a nice-to-have versus a need-to-have in some cases, but this is where differentiation really comes in. We have products like Nutritia that has established itself pretty strongly across many crops in that market, and we're seeing really good growth, and it's part of our growth expectations for that business going forward, especially in Brazil, and generally has strong margins to it. So there's flexibility in that business, but right now the volume issue is Again, it's tied to this Brazil dynamic that we're managing through. I wouldn't say it's necessarily a destocking issue, but it's more of a slowdown in demand versus our expectations, just given where that market is. And you'll see in our year-to-date numbers, there's a North America headwind. I wouldn't get too caught up in that. It's a smaller part of our business. It's obviously an important area for us to grow, especially as we see some of the newer technology we have coming out, nutrition being part of that. But again, it's a small part of our business. I wouldn't get too hung up on the volume. So we're really talking about a Brazil issue.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Patrick Cunningham with Citi. Your line is open, Patrick. Please go ahead.
Patrick Cunningham / Lucas Beaumont / Ben Furrer
Analysts, Citi / EBS / Barclays
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just a follow-up on Matt's previous question. As you think about actives approaching off patent, do you see the sustainability of peak revenue being a much shorter time cycle than it has been in the past? And do you see the balance shifting towards discontinuing and divesting products versus where you're deciding to defend against generics through lower unit costs and adjusting pricing?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, I think that you have to look at that. You know, because the day, if you've got any volume at all, the day after the patent expires, the generics are going to be there. There's excess capacity from a production standpoint in low-cost countries that are going to be ready to come in. So you've got to be ready in a shorter period of time. You don't have a tail anymore after that patent expires. So you've got to find intuitive ways to manage that life cycle and How it relates to mixtures or blends or things like that that a pure active ingredient doesn't have. So you've got to come with the formulations and describe the value for the grower, and that's what we'll do. I think also the ability to blend that with a package with something from our microbial platform or something from our – Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. Perfect get in the way of really good, and that's what we're going to have to do. That's part of what the transformation work I hope is going to identify, but you hit the nail on the head. Shorter window of time to get those profits out of there, so you've got to drive your costs down to improve your ROI, and you've got to use lifecycle management with our entire portfolio to extend that as long as we can.
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Your next question comes from the line of Lucas Beaumont with EBS. Your line is open, Lucas. Please go ahead.
Patrick Cunningham / Lucas Beaumont / Ben Furrer
Analysts, Citi / EBS / Barclays
Thank you. Good morning. So I just kind of wanted to think about, you know, what the reduced sort of second half outlook here means as we head into next year. You know, volume growth has sort of come in, subset prices down by single digits sort of exiting the year. I mean that probably seems to imply that we're going to see continued pricing pressure into next year now of at least low single digits maybe we'll recover a little bit of that on the cost side I guess if raw materials are sort of better or lower as a bit of an offset but I mean unless you're sort of expecting much stronger volume growth somewhere I mean it seems like flat to up low single digits on EBITDA now would probably be a win in 2027 so and it's going to be pointing to something only in like the 1.11 to 1.15 billion range. Is that the right way to frame the setup or can you kind of talk it through?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, so there are a lot of give and takes and I believe we will grow in 2027. That's what I believe. Some of it's going to be cost. Some of it's going to be volume. And we'll see a little bit of Brazil in the first quarter as they go through the end of their growing season. But I expect Brazil, from a year-over-year comparison in 27 of the second half, ought to be a little better than they are in 26. Because, remember, we're having a little extra time. Downside in Brazil because of the level of inventory that we had in the channel. So assuming we get the inventory where it ought to be by year end, by the end of their growing season, we ought to be in a good spot to be able to recover some of that in 2027. So that's the goal. So I think we will be able to grow the business in 2027, but I need to see all the roll-ups. We need to see what cost actions we can take, and we will share that with you in February when we do our fourth quarter earnings call. But I do expect this to grow in 27.
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
And maybe, Lucas, on pricing specifically, right? So if you think about the updated full-year guide, you know, it's going to say pricing is in that down mid to the highest single-digit range now for the business, given some of these pressures that we talked about. And aligned with Luke's comments, you know, 80% of that is the U.S. acetic chloride issue and these five molecules in Brazil that we're talking about. So, you know, you got to feel that we're better positioned in the market given how those prices have come down this year. So it would have to be a real step change in terms of other competitor aggressive action to bring down competing technology. And that's not our expectation right now. So then the next question is, what are generics doing, right? And, you know, over the past year plus, we've seen steady decline in prices coming out of China for generic molecules. As we're sitting here today, I never want to say the pie's a turn, but we are saying I'll call it Selective stabilization, right? And some of that is raw material driven, et cetera. So, obviously, pricing in Brazil are still the uncertainties we're watching, but when you think about where we face pressure this year more disproportionately and greater risk coming out of maybe generics, generally speaking, out of China, you know, I think we've covered some of that in the comments we've made, but I just want to give that context.
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Your next question comes from the line of Frank Mitch with Sirmium Research. Your line is open, Frank. Please go ahead.
David Begleiter / Frank Mitch
Analysts, Deutsche Bank / Sirmium Research
Thank you and good morning. During the prepared remarks, you mentioned that you're going to, you know, you're on track to year-end cash position of $1.5 billion. Now, you're at $1.8 billion cash at the end of the third quarter. I'm assuming that $1.5 billion end of year is Thank you. Thank you.
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
We expect still to be close to about $1.5 billion in terms of our cash position by the end of the year. So that's not net cash. I'm just talking cash, right? And you can see the debt levels we have in our schedules, right? It's aligned to call it around a billion dollars of financial debt that we're targeting by year end, and we're kind of close there today, right? So how we go from where we are today to the year end, obviously, it would say we're going to have a use of cash in the fourth quarter, right? Historically speaking, this business has generated a modest amount of cash in the fourth quarter. You know, there's a few things going on in our results that's causing a use of cash. One is we have a lower level of prepayment and early pay coming in North America in the fourth quarter, call it between $100 and $150 million lower than last year. So that's causing a headwind. And that was That was done at our discretion. We were right-sizing just to let that level coming in based on affordability levels. So no concern or pause there. We're controlling that based on where we see the right level for the business and for where we are. We're going to have higher AR, obviously, just with the timing of some of our sales. So that's going to be a slight headwind. So from a cash flow from operations, you can expect a use of cash in the fourth quarter. Our CapEx is generally going to be aligned to what we said on a run rate basis in our September comments, around $200 million a year, so call it on an underlying basis about $50 million of CapEx just from the run and maintain. Now there's some lingering CapEx we have for the separation that will come through, but not meaningful. That will take that number up slightly. And we obviously have to pay our dividend. So we feel good about it. How we're tracking towards that billion five, and the teams are executing well. I'm encouraged by how we finished third quarter on managing working capital, all things considered. So what does that mean for 27? This business should still generate cash flow conversion aligned with what we had said at Investor Day, right? And what we feel good about is that there's still opportunity to drive working capital efficiency. Now, I'm not going to commit anything today. Obviously, we I want to see how the year finishes and how some of these key markets play out. But there's opportunity because we're at higher levels on a DSO basis. You know, there's more opportunity to work with Ralph and team on driving our inventory levels. So there's leverage there we can pull, but let's continue to navigate some of this competitive dynamic we're facing in the market that is driving some of our AR. But overall, the cash conversion in this business should be fairly aligned to how we've talked about it up to this point.
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Your next question comes from the line of Edlaine Rodriguez with Mizuho. Your line is open, Edlaine. Please go ahead.
Edlain Rodriguez
Analyst, Mizuho
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I've been going to your financial framework for the next three years. You had a component in there for share with purchase. Can you tell us what are you thinking about in terms of that, like the pace? Yes, what's your thinking in terms of share with purchase? for next year and within that three-year period.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, so I think obviously at this price, I'm very interested in buying back stock. And I think that'll be as good a return as any that we're going to get for our use of cash. We've got an outstanding authorization to buy back stock. And what I have in the fourth quarter is The structure of the spend and the representations made in connection with that separation from a tax standpoint create certain near-term capital allocation constraints for me where I just don't have the ability to buy back in the fourth quarter, but buybacks will certainly be a part of our 2027 cash deployment priorities.
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Your next question comes from the line of Aaron Viswanathan with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open, Aaron. Please go ahead.
Aaron Viswanathan
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets
Great. Thanks for taking my question. Most of my questions have been answered, but I guess maybe I can just ask on, you know, maybe some partnership opportunities. I know that there's been, you know, fungicide and opportunities on that side. How does that kind of contribute to your 27 and 28 outlook? Are there other opportunities outside of Felinda Pier or what else are we expecting on that side?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Thanks. So, yeah, I think longer term, we're going to look at ways we can work together with universities, startups, competitors to have the technology so that we can share those products and bring them to the market Sooner at a lower cost than we can. We'll look at other deals like we have with remisoxafen. That'll obviously be another opportunity there and opportunities that we have like that will do. Having anything come to bear in 27 or 28 is a little tough. Those are longer term deals. But strategically, when we look at how we transform and what our transformation office, that's something that we'll certainly be looking at and opportunities for ways to go. I'll Pretty clear at investor day and everybody I've talked to, we're open for business. So anybody who's got an opportunity out there that – and maybe we have products that just don't quite make the cut for us for what we want to do, and we're going to look to license those because we've got a great portfolio. We're going to license things that aren't as meaningful for us but may be meaningful for other people, and they may be able to have a better go at it than we will. So we're going to look at ways that we can take any step necessary to reduce our costs and increase our bottom line.
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Your next question comes from the line of Ben Furrer with Barclays. Your line is open, Ben. Please go ahead.
Patrick Cunningham / Lucas Beaumont / Ben Furrer
Analysts, Citi / EBS / Barclays
Yeah, good morning and thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if we could talk a little bit about some of the drivers that you've laid out about two months ago as it relates to, like, cost improvements, etc. Are there any other ways or other areas where you're looking at, aside from improvement in productivity, maybe on the sales side, whatever, reviewing the Just anything where you think either within Cox or within SG&A that you see opportunity to take Cox out of the system. Thank you.
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, everything's on the table. I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't really know how else to say it. We're looking at COGS everywhere we can. Are we producing as effectively and efficiently as we can? Are we producing in the right places? Are we formulating in the right places? Do we have the right logistical channels to get to where we need to be? Are there certain countries, are there certain products that we just need to overall exit that don't make sense? is the infrastructure that we have in the country effective enough or do we need to either add to it or do we just need to switch and sell straight through distribution, not have sales on the ground? How are we going to compete whenever we have a biological or a differentiated product versus a commodity chemical that we're selling here? We can't do the same. So what are the different routes that we have to market? What are we in the back office? Where are we less efficient than we should be? What are the things that we've done in the past that we really don't – is nice to have, but not something that we have to absolutely have in order to do it? So, look, if you're not making it and you're not selling it, we're looking to see what we need to do to reduce our costs.
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Your next question comes from the line of Salvatore Tiano with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is open, Salvatore. Please go ahead. As a reminder, please unmute your device locally before asking a question.
Salvatore Tiano
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets
Can you hear me now?
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Yes.
Salvatore Tiano
Analyst, KeyBanc Capital Markets
Perfect. I just want to ask a couple of things about your financials. So, firstly, on Q4, obviously, you have the implied guidance and you have also the implied revenue, I guess, which should be around $2 billion, $2.1 billion. That's just a low mid-single-digit decline here and here. So it implies 7%, 8%, 9% maximum EBITDA margin in Q4, so obviously understandable that there's pressure in Brazil, but how do we reconcile that actually sales are not really declining substantially? They're actually, the sales decline is decelerating versus Q3, yet you're seeing that 50% EBITDA. And secondly, can you clarify a little bit your cash position? You were at $1.8 billion in Q3, but... The pro forma Q2 results were at $3.1 billion cash. And at least from what we've seen now with the pro forma balance sheet, it looks like your working capital is pretty much the same. It looks like the only thing you've paid down is $400 million in pension. So where did the other $800 million in cash go in Q3?
Jeff Rudolph
Chief Financial Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Hey, Sal. It's Jeff. So on Q4... You know, with our updated, our guide for the year, it would imply, you know, a Q4 that's around, call it $2 billion of revenue, which would be on a pro forma basis down year over year. And it's 100% price, right? And volumes, I would say, are expected to be generally flat year over year in the fourth quarter. So pricing is really the main driver. So what that means is we've got pricing in the fourth quarter that's implied to be down high single digits. So when prices are down that level, you're going to have a disproportionate impact to your EBITDA and your EBITDA margin. And that's why we're seeing that step change in terms of our implied guide for fourth quarter and why the margin is more impacted than you might expect just from a normal price and volume relationship. So hopefully that makes sense. On cash, I don't want to – Thank you for joining us. were at $1.8 billion of cash at the end of the quarter, and we're on a path to the $1.5 billion that we committed to as part of our investor day, and I'm confident that we've got, you know, good control around our working capital. Teams are exercising good discipline there. We saw it in our third quarter results, and, you know, looking forward to showing you more details on that. Now, you have to appreciate with the separation and pro forma results, cash flow is one of the most impacted areas in terms of complexity, right, in balance sheets. So we're going to have to work through this here as we go quarter to quarter, but we're focused on the level of cash we're going to deliver at the year end, and we feel good about the path we're on.
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Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Sikowskas with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open, Jeff. Please go ahead.
Jeff Sikowskas
Analyst, J.P. Morgan
Thanks very much. Do you have other problematic molecules that will come off patent over the coming two years that are not part of the handful of molecules that you're talking about now? And secondly, were there negative weather effects in the order that affect your ABCA globally?
Luke Hassam
Chief Executive Officer, Corteva Agriscience
Yeah, so there's nothing major that comes off in two years by the end of 28, Jeff. We have some that come off in the early 30s, but we've got new products that we're launching in 28 and then some in the early 30s, too. So, again, we're going to have to balance. We're going to have to launch the ones that we're bringing on effectively, and we're going to have to manage the down cycle of some of them that will be coming off were coming off that patent protection, okay? The weather, you know, El Nino had an impact in Brazil. Europe was drier. And Southeast Asia had some weather issues. But all that stuff we would overcome. I mean, it didn't cause us where we are, but it all caused us to overcome. And we would have dealt with that within the court without any problem.
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We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Hafiz Sorez for closing remarks.
Hafa Sorez
Head of Investor Relations, Corteva Agriscience
Thank you for our interest in Corteva. Be safe.
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This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.