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Grocery Outlet, Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Greetings and welcome to the Grocery Outlet's third quarter 2026 earnings results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Nicolo Cottarelli, Senior Vice President of Strategic Finance and Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
Nicolo Cottarelli
Senior Vice President of Strategic Finance and Investor Relations
Good afternoon and welcome to Grocery Outlet's call to discuss financial results for the third quarter ended October 3rd, 2026. Speaking for management on today's call will be Jason Potter, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Ian Ferry, Chief Financial Officer. Following prepared remarks from Jason and Ian, we will open the call for questions. Please note that this conference call is being webcast live. and a recording will be available via playback on the investor relations section of the company's website. Participants on this call may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. All statements that address future operating, financial or business performance or the company's strategies or expectations are forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are subject to various risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. Description of these factors can be found in this afternoon's press release as well as in the company's periodic reports filed with the SEC, all of which may be found on the investor relations section of the company's website or on sec.gov. The company undertakes no obligation to revise or update any forward-looking statements or information. These statements are estimates only and not a guarantee of future performance. Additionally, during today's call, the company will reference certain non-GAAP financial information, including adjusted items. Reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures, as well as the description, limitations, and rationale for using each measure, may be found in the supplemental financial tables included in this afternoon's press release on the Investors section of the company's website under News and Releases and in the company's SEC filings. And now I would like to turn it over to Jason.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Good afternoon to you all and thank you for joining us for our quarterly update. Our results improved in the third quarter with a return to positive comps driven by our focus on executing an enhanced opportunistic assortment. Revenue increased 0.9% to $1.18 billion with comparable store sales up 50 basis points. That was an 80 basis point improvement from the comp sales we reported for Q2 despite the adverse headwind from the cyclospora outbreak during the third quarter. Comp was driven by a 2.4% increase in traffic, representing a 60 basis point sequential improvement from Q2. It was partially offset by a 1.9% decrease in basket, which was a 20 basis point sequential improvement from Q2. Gross margin of 30% was within our outlook range, reflecting slightly less promotional spend than was expected, but slightly greater than anticipated pressure on freight. Adjusted EBITDA of 59.4 million landed in the middle of our guidance range, and adjusted EPS at 16 cents at the high end, which Ian will discuss further. These results demonstrate continued progress in our efforts to revitalize Grocery Outlet's value proposition and drive sustainable growth. We're committed to reinforcing our position as a leading value retailer and we're excited about what that progress means for our customers and communities, especially in this challenging economic environment. I'll begin today with more detail about our comp sales improvement and the critical link that improving our opportunistic product assortment execution had during Q3. I'll also share updates on how we're improving collaboration with our suppliers and supporting our operators in this focused effort. and I'll finish by sharing how we see the business developing through the end of the year. First, delivering comp improvement. Our progress on comp continues to be supported by continuing traffic growth, demonstrating that our focus on executing an improved opportunistic assortment and continued emphasis on value communication is drawing more customers into our stores. As inflation continues to pressure household budgets and more shoppers cite value as their top purchase criteria, We're working to ensure our offering is increasingly relevant. During the quarter, our prices on everyday assortment remain competitive and our retail inflation is tracked below the broader market. During the quarter, we continue to shift our mix to higher levels of opportunistic product, creating greater absolute value and savings across the basket as a result. We see encouraging evidence that this focus is resonating with customers. Customer credit card data indicates that Q3 traffic growth was driven by an increase in the number of new customers and we're also gaining traction in e-commerce where our implementation of parity pricing has resulted in driving incremental sales and positive margin dollars. While economic conditions continue to pressure our customer basket down year on year, positive sequential trends in basket size and the underlying units per transaction show we are making progress as we strengthen our assortment and overall execution. Notably, year-on-year opportunistic units per transaction growth was positive in Q3 as customers are responding to the more compelling assortment in our stores. These efforts are strengthening our brand and contributing to positive improvements in customer NPS scores year-on-year. In August, we also celebrated Grocery Outlet's 80th anniversary with targeted marketing that emphasized our improving slate of opportunistic deals. The three-day event saw double-digit comps across the company and generated strong units per transaction growth. It's a useful example of how we've transitioned this year from broad-based synthetic promotions to now surgically deploying investments to drive more engagement from our customers. Our operators executed at a high level and it was great to celebrate 80 years of both serving our customers and communities. Our comp progress was achieved despite the impact of the cyclospora outbreak. While none of our products were involved in any of the cyclists for our recalls, the resulting impact on our produce business reduced total company comp by roughly 60 basis points during the third quarter. This was less than the 100 basis point impact we anticipated based on the data we had in front of us at the time of our Q2 call. Increased produce shrink also compressed overall gross margins slightly. With that noted, we've seen a nice recovery in both comps and margin in produce, and the category has been growing above inflation since the start of October. Our buying team and stores are ready to capitalize on the returning demand and we expect no lingering impact of cyclospora through the rest of the year. With this effect subsiding, overall company comps were positive in September and have accelerated into October. Returning to positive comp is an important marker of our progress, but the goal is to improve comps further and sustain those gains. To sustain our comp performance improvement, we remain laser focused on continuing to prioritize execution improvements in our opportunistic assortment and then sharing these amazing branded deals with our customers to consistently deliver excitement and discovery in every store. I'll now turn to how we execute against that priority in Q3 and the work to come as we close out this year. On revitalizing our opportunistic assortment, As we discussed, our primary goal since the start of this year has been to strengthen our opportunistic assortment, given its foundational and differentiating role in the grocery outlet customer value proposition. We've activated the entire organization in this effort, starting with our buying and merchandising teams and partnering with our suppliers and collaborating with our independent operators. We've made some important trade-offs. One example is to reduce elements of our everyday assortment to ensure we make the space for opportunistic products in our supply chain and at the shelf. By sourcing more exciting opportunistic deals and merchandising them with excellence, we drove a meaningful improvement in opportunistic comp and mix during the third quarter. All of that in turn value for our customers. We're seeing this cycle of improvement show up in terms of positive value satisfaction, customer growth, and strengthening baskets. As we shared last quarter, we began this transformation with a specific set of actions to improve the opportunistic assortment for the grocery department. This process and focus drove grocery back to healthy levels of growth in Q2, which was sustained through the third quarter. During the early part of Q3, the team turned to repeating that same focused approach to both the frozen and deli departments. We're pleased to share that the same repeatable process is proving highly effective. Opportunistic mix increased materially in both departments over the quarter and the department comp has followed. As we move forward, we intend to maintain our methodical, focused approach to growing and maintaining the opportunistic assortment, working our way through the departments in a manner that allows us to deliver the right level of value, excitement, and novelty with our customers. This is supported by improved signage, an updated digital outreach including our new, more shoppable website, and more focused messaging on deals and discovery. We're confident that customers will continue to respond to this renewed and more exciting experience. During Q3, our approach to collaboration and support with our suppliers and operators has also proved effective. As customers respond to the work we're doing in our stores, we're also actively engaging with our independent operators and suppliers. In Q3, we hosted a series of regional roadshows and workshops across the country, giving us the opportunity to connect in person with our operators. We continue to hear positive feedback about the new tools, processes, and improvements we've introduced earlier this year. and I continue to be impressed with the collaboration, dedication and commitment to drive growth and profitability that our operators demonstrate every day. We've seen our IOs average income increase year to date versus last year as a result of this work, an important indicator for the improving health of the business and operator engagement. In early Q4, we hosted our second supplier summit of the year, creating the perfect opportunity to work with our supplier partners to expand our business opportunities together. These valuable summits generate deal flow, generate new business, help improve execution, and build and reinforce strong relationships. This increased engagement with operators and suppliers creates meaningful opportunities for collaboration and getting the business back to the levels of growth we know we can all achieve together. We look forward to continuing to partner with our operators and our suppliers to drive performance improvement across the business. As discussed earlier this year, we remain committed to operational discipline and effective capital deployment. Our store refresh and new store programs continue at the measured pace we previously outlined. Finally, our strategic review of the UGO business remains ongoing, and we don't have anything new to share at this time. Now looking to Q4. Before closing, I'd like to take a moment to share some high-level expectations for the fourth quarter. We believe the positive trends we're seeing coming out of Q3 and into Q4 bode well for sales growth and our comp trajectory. We've wound down the synthetic promotional spending we introduced earlier this year as our opportunistic assortments, current weight, depth, and quality is now providing significant value and excitement for our customers. We've learned much during this last year and will stay flexible in deploying targeted promotions where we have a high confidence in driving traffic, or for those promotions that create broader benefits like our recent successful 80th anniversary celebration that I mentioned. For Q4, we're making a similar surgical investment into our Thanksgiving promotion that we believe will contribute to overall sales performance for this quarter and benefit subsequent periods by increasing the engagement of our most loyal customers. While that planned promotion and some cost pressures in our supply chain that are embedded in the gross margin guidance that Ian will share We feel confident in our ability to manage margin responsibly and in our ability to expand margins over time. That said, we're remaining diligent and focused on operational discipline as we aim to drive durable, profitable growth. In closing, we're encouraged by the results of the quarter but have much left to do before we're satisfied with our performance. Our number one priority continues to be strengthening our opportunistic assortment, which we believe will unlock higher levels of comp growth. will continue to optimize and refine our operations to promote growth and drive efficiency across our business. In an environment where value is essential to our customers, our model is uniquely positioned to serve, and we see continued evidence of that in our financial performance. I'm confident in our ability to achieve our goals, and with a stronger foundation, we're well-positioned to capture on our long-term opportunities. We look forward to updating you on how we finish out this year. I'd like to thank our customers, our operators, our team, and our shareholders. Our focus lies firmly in delivering value to all of you. And with that, I'll turn it over to Ian.
Ian Ferry
Chief Financial Officer
Ian? Thanks, Jason. In the third quarter, we saw a return to positive comps and delivered financial results in line with our guidance as we continue to strengthen the foundation of the business. Our efforts to restore and enhance the attributes that make this business unique and differentiated are starting to resonate with consumers and drive sales improvement. As we build on the sales trends, we'll continue to spend with discipline and expect to improve our profitability and return on capital over time. I will start with the quarter and then discuss our fourth quarter and full year outlook. Unless otherwise noted, the comparisons I provide are year over year. Starting with the top line, third quarter net sales increased 0.9% to $1.18 billion. positive comparable store sales and sales from stores opened over the last 12 months more than offset the impact of the optimization plan store closures earlier this year. We opened 14 stores and closed zero during the quarter. Comparable store sales increased 50 basis points ahead of our guidance of negative 1% to flat. The improvement reflected two factors, a smaller than anticipated headwind from Cyclospora and stronger traffic and basket driven by our strategy to enhance the opportunistic assortment. On Cyclospora, we guided to 100 basis point impact on Q3 Comp, but we came in approximately 40 basis points favorable to that estimate. We continue to see evidence that our focus on the opportunistic assortment is driving traffic and sales. We are encouraged by customer credit card data showing sequential growth and the active number of customers shopping our stores, demonstrating traction in attracting shoppers. Notwithstanding the pressure on the basket, which is impacted by broader economic conditions, sequential improvement on basket and positive results on opportunistic units per transaction growth show that we are making progress. Gross profit trended slightly favorable to expectations in Q3 with gross margin of 30.0% coming in at the high end of our outlook. Gross profit dollars of $353 million were down slightly year over year, and gross margin was down 40 basis points year over year. The decline was contemplated in our outlook and reflected pressures we experienced during the quarter, including the impact of the supplemental promotional spend introduced this year, higher supply chain costs, and increased produce shrink related to the cyclospora outbreak, and was partially offset by the favorable shift in opportunistic mix. We spent less than we expected on our synthetic promotional investments in Q3, notwithstanding investments in the 80th anniversary celebration. GAAP SG&A increased slightly to $332.5 million, and as a percentage of net sales, declined 10 basis points to 28.2%. Sequentially, GAAP SG&A improved 30 basis points as a percentage of net sales, primarily driven by lower incentive compensation and professional fees, partially offset by higher costs to support our business growth. We also recorded $3.6 million in net restructuring credits related to the optimization plan. This included $15.8 million in non-cash credits, primarily from the net write-off of lease right-of-use assets and lease liabilities, partially offset by $12.2 million in cash charges. Below the operating line, net interest expense was $7 million of 5.1% from last year. Our GAAP effective tax rate was 21.8% compared with 28% last year. Net income was 13.3 million or 13 cents per diluted share compared with 11.6 million or 12 cents per diluted share last year. Adjusted net income was 15.6 million or 16 cents per diluted adjusted share compared with 20.7 million or 21 cents per diluted adjusted share last year. Adjusted EBITDA was $59.4 million or 5% of net sales compared with $66.7 million or 5.7% of net sales last year. Adjusted EBITDA came in at the middle or outlook range while adjusted EPS came in at the high end. Turning to the balance sheet and cash flow statement, We ended the quarter with $59.8 million in cash and approximately $154 million of revolver availability. Total debt net of issuance costs was $502 million, down $3.7 million from Q2. Net leverage was 1.9 times adjusted EBITDA at quarter end. Operating cash flow was $18.2 million compared with $17.3 million last year. The increase was driven primarily by higher accrued and other liabilities due primarily to timing, partially offset by lower operating lease liabilities as a result of the optimization plan. Capital expenditures were $28.1 million or $25.7 million net of tenant improvement allowances. Now onto our outlook. Our fourth quarter guidance contemplates continued improvement in comp as we drive further execution on our opportunistic initiatives. Our margin outlook reflects the step down of our promotional work from prior quarters, balanced with some headwinds that we are managing. We are also expecting some pressure in SG&A, driven by higher repairs and maintenance expenses on our fleet and other line items. As a reminder, last year's fourth quarter included a 53rd week in the 2025 fiscal year, adding $82.4 million to net sales and $9 million to adjusted EBITDA. Our fourth quarter and full year outlook reflect the absence of those benefits this year. For the fourth quarter, we expect comparable store sales ranging from positive 1.5% to 2.5%, gross margin of 29.7% to 30.0%, adjusted EBITDA of $57 to $61 million, and diluted adjusted EPS of $0.11 to $0.14 per share. For the full year, we now expect net new store openings of 30 to 31 stores, net sales of 4.7 to 4.72 billion, comparable store sales in the range of positive 0.2 to 0.4%, gross margin of 29.8% to 30%, adjusted EBITDA of $225 million to $229 million, diluted adjusted EPS of 52 cents to 55 cents, and capital expenditures net of tenant improvement allowances of $170 million. In summary, we're confident in our ability to build off the results of the work we've done this year and drive towards sustainable, profitable growth. Near term, we remain focused on getting more opportunistic product into our stores across more departments, ensuring our value proposition is well communicated to customers, and managing the business with discipline. Echoing Jason, thanks to everyone across the business and to our shareholders. We look forward to updating you at the end of our fiscal year. With that, I will turn the call over to the operator for questions.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 to remove yourself from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up the handset before pressing the star keys. We ask that you limit your questions to one question and one follow-up to allow everyone the opportunity to ask their question. One moment while we pull for questions. In our first question today, we'll hear from Robbie Ohms with Bank of America. Please proceed with your questions.
Robbie Ohms
Analyst, Bank of America
Oh, hey, good evening. Thanks for taking my question. My first question just would be, you know, for Jason, just the, sorry if you did this already, but the delivery pricing change, you know, with parity pricing, did that hit this quarter and did you see any significant changes in delivery and things like that? Maybe Instacart DoorDash merging, could that have an impact on your delivery business?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. Robbie, thanks for the question. First thing I'll say is we do believe the business will continue to generate positive in-store traffic and comp growth of over 3% over time, irrespective of what we're doing online. That said, we did, as we indicated before, implemented price parity. And in doing that, the reason, the rationale for it was to make sure that the customer, the consumer could see our pricing and understand the offering online. That's been... are all successful. We're really happy with the results. Their ability to see that value is translated into larger baskets and an inflow of new customers. We can kind of see that in the reporting. As we indicated, or what I will share is, it is margin dilutive, obviously, taking fees off and creating price parity, but the results are EBITDA positive. So we're excited with those changes as they are at this point. It's a small part of our business. And your follow-up question on DoorDash, Instacart, you know, it's early days. We're unsure of what that means, but both great partners, and we expect that great partnership to continue.
Robbie Ohms
Analyst, Bank of America
Thanks, Jason. And just a quick follow-up. How are you thinking about longer term, a timeline to get the business back to sort of a 6% or higher EBITDA margin? What are sort of the and many more.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
on that part of the business to get comps moving and obviously get back to a more normal level of profitability. We've seen op comp accelerate meaningfully through Q3. Our mix continues to expand. The playbook that Paul Miller and the team have put in place for grocery sustained itself through Q3. We've seen improvement across Deli and Frozen as we've turned our attention there. And so I think on the value component What I would hope to be able to do in the next call is to give you an update on where we are there. We're likely kind of halfway through on that piece of the business. That work will continue meaningfully through next year. The value piece being the key priority of our offering is essential. And then when we look at the business, our customers have been clear about what else they need. It's also clear to us that the customer experience is important. And so as we work on Things like improving our fresh offering, in-stocks, store standards, and so on that we'll see the basket growth, I think, rebound and start to grow. And our expectation is as we improve the business and continue to execute, loyalty will improve and ultimately we'll get the business back to where we know it can achieve.
Robbie Ohms
Analyst, Bank of America
Sounds great. Thanks, Jason.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks for the question, Robbie.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And next, we'll move to Edward Kelly with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
Edward Kelly
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Yeah, hi, guys. Good afternoon. So I wanted to ask you about the guidance and the implied Q4 guidance. So coming in a little bit better than expected, that guide comes up. Q3 EBITDA was in line with the expectation, but I think the implied Q4 comes down a bit, I guess, with what you did with the full-year EBITDA guide. Can you just maybe talk a little bit more about what's impacting that and then how much of that sort of carries into 27, and then I guess like how close are you to sort of like, you know, run rate of what EBITDA, you know, should look like as you get to next year?
Ian Ferry
Chief Financial Officer
Hey, Ed, it's Ian. Thanks for the question. So, you know, just to start out at a high level, as Jason said, our focus this year has been on driving comp acceleration through revitalizing the op pipeline. So in the end of Q3, we exited the quarter at a comp rate that was 400 basis points higher than where we were in January. So that feels good, and clearly we're guiding to further improvement in Q4. Meanwhile, we do think we've aligned on a healthier approach to gross margin as we've moved through the year and tapered the promotional bridge that we put in place back in January. So for Q3, you're right, we did outperform on both comp and gross margin rate which contributed about $2 million of upside and that was offset by $2 million of unfavorable SG&A pressure. That came predominantly from elevated repairs and maintenance, so about $1 million, and then the rest just from a handful of discrete items. And it's a similar story as you move into Q4. There's probably about $1 million of upside versus the prior implied guide from comp outperformance. and you know we're we're guiding to a three million dollar lower midpoint so when you look at the four million dollar net pressure on SG&A again a very big chunk of that is just elevated repairs and maintenance which are just coming in much lumpier than what the budget had and a handful of discrete items so not really expecting that to repeat into next year but and, you know, net-net, we're happy with the performance and where we're looking at for Q4.
Edward Kelly
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Okay, and just a follow-up. You know, you mentioned that, you know, the promotional bridge is ending. You had some other promo around the 80th anniversary and then, you know, Thanksgiving coming up. I'm just kind of curious, as the promotional stuff's rolling off and you think about, like, these more normal weeks, How would you gauge the underlying momentum of the business as the promotion has been rolling off? And then as part of that, could you just maybe dissect basket a bit? I'm just kind of curious, you know, is basket turning sort of the way that you thought that it would? Is it a little bit slower? Just curious as to how you're thinking about that sequential change.
Ian Ferry
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, hey, Ed, I'll take the first part and then shift the basket commentary to Jason. On the promotional spend, you know, we did consistently taper it throughout the years. We got more effective on running promotions as well as just restoring op mix. And in fact, in October, we had no excess promotion in the system and comps accelerated month over month. So we felt good about that. And, you know, in aggregate, we spent certainly less than $20 million that we had planned and I think it would be unlikely that we would repeat that or move that back into the program as we look at next year.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Just to answer your question on basket, I'll hit a few points here. First and foremost, the basket has improved a couple hundred basis points from the start of the year. We're happy to see that. There was some improvement as well, Q3 to Q2 overall, and that was really driven by units per transaction from our op focus. So what we're seeing in the baskets is a higher degree of op. That's obviously showing up in a number of places, improving the value in the basket. And so, as I mentioned, the question that Robbie asked, Happy to see the basket improving. As we continue to execute and improve the business, I do expect to see basket growth in addition to traffic growth. So what we are seeing right now is consistent ability to generate traffic, but a lagging basket. And I think the continued work we're doing, the focus, it's clear that that's working. We're going to continue that work through next year. And as we improve the other side of value, which is the customer experience piece. We're going to see basket growth.
Edward Kelly
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Great. Thank you. Thanks, Ed.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And Corey Tarlow with Jefferies will have our next question.
Corey Tarlowe
Analyst, Jefferies
Great. Thanks. Jason, you've mentioned a few times the benefit that the business has realized from The change in strategy this year around opportunistic product. I was wondering if you could provide a little bit more detail or quantification around the magnitude of that benefit when a certain number of products or percentage of products are in the store. Do you notice any sort of critical mass forming? I want to just have a better understanding, if possible, of how tangible these benefits are and what the ultimate runway could look like for this. Thanks so much.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. Great question. Thanks for asking. You know, Op has been the Thank you for joining us. a range of products so your point about how many items in store we are measuring that and we do measure what do we have every day what do we have an op that does matter across the network and the quality as well and so we do have measures on quality you know things like brand strength and so on that help us understand what that looks like we also measure things like the discount the actual pricing how that shows up in the basket and then things like turns. There's a newness and discovery to this. That flow is important. Making sure we continue to be relevant across the network is important. So we're also managing, monitor the skews that are unique in different markets. We don't always have an item that covers every single store. So that's also important. All of that to say, I think by the time we have the call, the next call will likely be halfway through the work. I think this work will continue well into next year. But there's a clear relationship for us that we see with the performance of this part of the business and the overall performance of the core of the business. And so the improvements we've seen, especially, I would say, notable is October. Our comp run rate has now exited at a very nice kind of high end of the range that we gave for Q4, all driven by op. So that synthetic promotion was gone. Again, the value piece that's driven from price perception and value comes from that part of the business. So excited about what we're doing, but there is more to do, Corey.
Corey Tarlowe
Analyst, Jefferies
Great. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then I was just wondering if you could provide a little bit of color on pricing with fuel prices being what they are. How are you thinking about pricing as we head into next year? Thanks so much.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, that's a great question. It's on everyone's minds, obviously. I would tell you that our pricing gaps are stable. We're monitoring that across the major MSAs. We look at that every day. We do see inflation on everyday assortment. That's something we're managing. We're passing through appropriately to manage the gaps that we have. That's been straightforward for the team. I think the benefits of what we've done with Op in extending its mix and its reach. The AURs are lower. People that come in our stores will get more value with more items in a basket of goods, especially in a period like this. And our ability to maintain the gaps is there. The team has an agility to move sources of supply, which we've done this year in some cases. And again, the continued work on the mix has been especially helpful during this period. As far as we're concerned, we're managing inflation appropriately and the team has the tools to get it done. Thank you.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And next we'll hear from John Heinbockel with Guggenheim Partners. Please proceed.
John Heinbockel
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners
So Jason, do you think when you look at op-com versus every day, and I don't know if you look at it that way, where we are today, op-com should lead every day because you're driving traffic on an improved value proposition. Is that fair? And then I think historically, right, the op margins were quite a bit higher. Do you want to run the business that way or if the mix is higher, you can provide more value and earn a little bit less margin?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, thanks for the question, Jon. It's a good question. So we do monitor different categories of product growth. Op Comp has clearly been running faster than the MTO part of our business. That's by design. As the team has continued to improve inventory flow, new supplier acquisition, engagement with our existing suppliers, that's worked really nicely in the business and also really fights inflation effects, if you will, on a basket of goods. The more op we drive, the higher mix of quality op that's available. You always have to turn the product. People want newness in the store, and that's important. Those things are very healthy for the business, and they drive traffic, and they drive comps. And so we're going to continue to manage the business on the value side when it comes to price. If you kind of break values, there's price, there's quality, and customer experience. The price part of what our work is is the priority right now, and that work is clearly paying some early dividends and getting the momentum back into the business. The second part of your question on margin, there is a clear margin advantage. It's accretive for us. Every op item we sell versus an MTO item is more profitable. We do have to manage the business as well to make sure that we have enough everyday assortment to meet a broad-based set of needs that customers have. and so as we move to next year and work on things like better inventory management tools, those kinds of things will also help us build the basket. But op will remain a central focus of the team and our number one priority throughout next year.
John Heinbockel
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners
The follow up is I know you guys had some work you were doing right on store layout and format. and I think that was kind of pulled back a little bit. When do you think the top line is sustainable enough where you go back and the IOs want to put some more capital or you put more capital into the stores?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, that's a great question, Jon. Thank you. We are going to go at a certain pace here. I think we've moderated that with new stores. We've moderated that with some of the conversation we had around those to make sure that everyone in the organization was focused on the price part of value, which our customers were telling us clearly we had needed to do some work on. So that will likely continue well into next year. I think when we get enough momentum behind us and consistency and results, we'll make sure that at that point we'll turn our attention to those kinds of opportunities which are still there and provide a lot of headroom for the business. So we're still excited about what those things mean Some of what we did this year with making the stores easier to shop has shown up in positive feedback from customers and is also helping the digital experience for people that are coming into our stores for the first time. So those things are there, they're present, they're available. Our operators have a good understanding now of what's to come. But again, our focus is going to be to continue to work this part of the business, make sure that's dialed in. and the team there is working hard to create a repeatable set of processes to make sure that this continues. And so, again, we're excited about the progress, but more to come. Thank you. Thanks, Jon.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And next we'll hear from Mark Cardin with UBS. Please go ahead.
Mark Carden
Analyst, UBS
Good afternoon. Thanks so much for taking the questions. So as you look across your shopper base, to what extent did you see your comp vary across your lower, middle, and higher income customer cohorts? Are you seeing much in the way of impacts from mass merchants who are doing their own discounting, even if it's not as deep as yours? And then are you seeing the new customers you were referencing skewing any higher or lower income? Thanks.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, Mark, thanks. It's Jason. I'll appreciate the question.
John Heinbockel
Analyst, Guggenheim Partners
I think your question relates to potential trade down. So a couple of things I'll say.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
We think this business is built to succeed in any economic backdrop. We've had cycles before where things have been pressured for the consumer and this business pops. We think the work we're doing right now positions us well for that. A couple different stories just to tell I think on this point. So on the first point on the customer pressure, I think for the first time in Q3, I saw some evidence. We see it in the basket, but we're looking at things like substitution, and we could see in fresh protein a fair bit of pressure in premium beef. I think everyone's well aware of the inflation effects that have happened with the cattle shortage, and that started to show up in what we see in that particular category. That said, we have been looking for evidence of trade down. and this is very thin data at this point. But when we're looking at our credit card data, the new customers that are coming in, we are seeing a slight uptick in premium credit cards. But again, it's not significant enough for us to really make a judgment. I think it's kind of still up in the air. But again, our priority here is to return the model to a best in class value offering. And again, we're really laser focused on the price part of that and executing everyday value and making sure that our op is healthy and growing.
Mark Carden
Analyst, UBS
Got it. That's helpful. Thanks. And then as a follow-up, you opened 14 new stores at 3Q. You guys have been making some adjustments to your opening strategy. How did new store productivity track on these stores relative to where you'd like to be? And then how is the IO pipeline shaping up relative to what you've seen in the past?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, thanks for the question. A couple things to say there. Number one, we're still excited about the long-term unit growth opportunity for Grocery Outlet. As a reminder, for those of you that maybe you're new to this or just to hit it one more time, we have slowed down the pace of new store growth and shifted our mix of store execution on infill. And we did that to make sure that we're approving the rate and consistency of returns. And so, again, just as a reminder, in the last three years, the company opened roughly a 50-50 mix, new market to infill. and just to add to the answer to the question you're asking, the 25 cohort is on track with our performance. The 26 group is kind of two-thirds infill with the balanced new market. What I'm seeing right now is for the 26 group, and again the year's not up, infill is largely on track but I am seeing variability in new markets and so we will have some work to do when we do come back around in the Midterm to New Market Growth, refining our process there. In the short term for 27, our plan is to execute roughly 20 net new openings. They're all infill. And again, that gives us confidence in the predictability and support of the returns that we're going to generate.
Mark Carden
Analyst, UBS
Thanks so much. Good luck.
Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Thank you.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And next we'll hear from Leah Jordan with Goldman Sachs.
Leah Jordan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs
Thank you. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking our question. I just want to stick to the new store growth outlook first. We've been hearing about some tight supply across retail, real estate, and strip centers and the like. And it sounds like you've got visibility on the 20 new stores for next year. But maybe just what you're seeing in your markets that you're looking at around supply, visibility there for the pipeline for the next couple of years as you start to build that out. and then maybe an update on unit economics. How are those potentially higher costs, right, if it's a tighter supply, you know, flowing through and impacting your unit economics as you build out those new stores? Thank you.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Hey, Leah, thanks for the question. On the first part of your question, haven't seen direct evidence of that tightness. You know, some of what we've seen, there was something in the There was a lot of drugstores available and we're seeing a fair bit of open retail. So I'm not saying that that's not the case, but just haven't had that experience here at this point. I think I'll pass part two of the question on to Ian just to sort of address.
Ian Ferry
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. Hey, Leah. On the unit economics, I mean, you're right. They have come down over the last several years as construction costs have become elevated and CapEx required has gone up. When the company went public, these were, call it, four-wall, four-year returns in excess of 35%, and it's more recently been something closer to 20% to 25%. There's also this dynamic where our new markets have kind of varied from plan, whereas, as Jason said, on an infill basis, even with all the challenges we've had as a business, have actually been very consistent in recent years in terms of hitting or exceeding performance. So as you look at the plan for next year, I think we have a lot of confidence in that because we're essentially doing all infill locations where the visibility is just much higher.
Leah Jordan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs
Okay, that's very helpful. And then for my follow-up, I know there's been some discussion around the puts and takes around gross margin, but the street is expecting expansion as we look ahead to 27. I know you're not providing guidance today. You've brought in the expectations for 4Q a bit. I'm just trying to gain comfort in your view on gross margin expansion potential into next year. We've got some cost increases rising. I'm thinking about typically you guys have lagged and there's always kind of a hit and then you catch up. Is that really still the dynamic we should think about or the timing and ability to pass through? And then is there more pressure in the near term from these input costs or is things like The Op Mix, more effective promotions. Is that enough to kind of offset this interim period? I'm just trying to think about the next few quarters instead of just this stair-step changeup.
Ian Ferry
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, fair question. Let me just start with Q4 and bridge you on that, and then I'll kind of move to 27. So as you look at last year in Q4, we did about a 29.7% margin. This year, we're guiding to a 29.7% to 30.0%. and we will have about a 40 basis point benefit from just higher opportunistic mix flowing through. In addition, we'll probably see about 20 basis points of improvement on shrink. Now that will be partially offset by call it 40 basis points give or take of pressure on supply chain which is predominantly fuel and freight which is pronounced this year and certainly worse than our plan. Netting all that out, we still expect at the midpoint to expand gross margins year over year in the fourth quarter, largely driven by the opportunistic mix improvement. Now, as we go to 27, you're right, we don't have a bottoms-up budget yet. We'll guide on the next call, but maybe I can provide a couple comments on the P&L that'd be helpful. In terms of comp growth, you've seen where we guided for Q4. We certainly... expect that we can sustain that into next year. And on gross margins, which is your specific question, we will have the benefit of removing these synthetic promotions next year as we lap that and some of the store closure costs. So we do expect to see a year-over-year increase in gross margin for 27. Now, on the bottom half of the P&L with an SG&A There is likely to be some fixed cost pressure and mainly I would point you to occupancy where some of our locations that we're opening are in higher rent areas and then an even bigger impact is just escalators on the large base moving through the system. And so that will be a source of deleverage in the P&L. were it all nets out, we'll update you in March. We do expect to have healthy growth and profitability each year as we move forward, but there will be some pressure on SG&A. And then lastly, I would just point out with the reduction in new stores for next year and some ongoing efficiencies, we will expect CapEx aggregate dollars to come down year over year just as they had in 26.
Leah Jordan
Analyst, Goldman Sachs
That's great color. Thank you so much. I'll pass it on.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
Thank you. As a reminder, please press star one if you would like to ask your question. Next, we'll move on to Simeon Gutman with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Corey Tarlowe
Analyst, Jefferies
Hey, Jason. Do you have a view on the overall mix of op versus every day when I guess the dust settles? When you started, you kind of identified places in every day where you needed to enhance the selection.
Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
And do you think That is holding back the basket size, or is it opportunistic that can end up driving the basket size higher?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, I mean, hey, thanks for the question. So when you're thinking about the business and we're looking at the mix and we're looking at SKU count, you also need to make sure that the customer has coverage in certain categories with assortment. So it's a balancing act, but generally I would just say that we got – too off balance with too much everyday assortment and not enough opportunistic product. We think that by rebalancing that in the way we have and the work we still have in front of us, that we're going to have a nice everyday assortment that's going to cover the things we need to drive basket for loyal customers, but an exciting high turn opportunistic assortment that drives value for the customer and One kind of salient point to make when you're thinking about mix, there's also, and I haven't talked about this before, but everyday product turns at a certain rate, and that's important for everyday baskets, it's important for certain missions, but we do list tens of thousands of op SKUs, and so they turn at a relatively higher rate than the balance of the business, and so there's that newness piece, as well as the number of SKUs is important, and so We're looking at that kind of holistically as we move the business forward. And so I know that isn't a perfect answer, but we think that, again, just to underline, we got too far in front of ourselves on everyday assortment, whether that be private label or made-to-order product, and rebalancing that we found has been highly effective, and we're going to continue on that path.
Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Okay. You mentioned October running good without promotion. I assume Thanksgiving, that one, hasn't begun yet. Can you just talk about the logic with Thanksgiving? Do you think it's defensive, table stakes, you have to be there? Are you seeing these promotions are bringing in new customers and you're able to retain and bring them into the flywheel?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, great question. So just again to reinforce, we're not going to continue to promote like a traditional retailer. The synthetic bridge we put in place is over. It's all about op. As you pointed out, we did not have these synthetic promotions in October, and I will just tell you again that comps ran at the high end of the range, so we're feeling good about the underlying performance and value excitement that that's generating. Just given the promotional environment, we're making a surgical bet over and above our regular investment for Thanksgiving, and Thanksgiving's and really important, we didn't get it quite right last year and so getting value right during this critical selling period reinforces our positioning and it creates engagement with our most loyal customers right through the quarter and beyond and there is a component of new customer attraction that does happen. Now, all of that to say, you know, that's all in our guidance. We're going to remain disciplined but flexible We're managing the competitive price gaps. We're monitoring the environment. And at times, we'll make informed bets that are surgical, but nothing systematic like we did earlier in the year.
Simeon Gutman
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Thank you. Good luck.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Jason Potter for closing remarks. I'm sorry, there is somebody that just queued up. Would you like to take that question?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Absolutely.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
Thank you. We'll hear from Joe Feldman with Telsey Advisory Group.
Joe Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group
Sorry. Thanks, guys. I didn't hit the star one early enough. Question about, you said you guys are seeing new customers, which is terrific. I'm wondering a couple things. What's Drawing them in and also are you seeing them repeat after initial visitation?
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, great question, Joe. Thanks for asking it. We are seeing new customers when we look at our credit card data. What's driving them in is the value we're creating through op. We're seeing that in the underlying data and they are repeating. So you always manage and you're watching things like customer churn and we're looking at the credit card data as a proxy to understand that and what we can see right now is that strategy is working and is on point. And again, another reason why we believe that the continued work here is essential and will continue right through next year.
Joe Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group
Got it. Okay, that's helpful. So it's the ops helping to drive it and that message is getting out. I guess the other question I did have was When you guys talked about the stores, I know you've closed a bunch of the stores already, the 36 stores. Did you share how much of a headwind that was in the quarter? I was just curious how much pressure it was on total sales, if you could share.
Ian Ferry
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, we did it, but it's probably roughly $30 million. Got it.
Joe Feldman
Analyst, Telsey Advisory Group
Okay, yeah, it's just helpful to understand because, you know, the growth is huge. Thank you, Joe.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
And there are no further questions. I will now like to turn the call back to Jason Potter for closing remarks.
Jason Potter
President and Chief Executive Officer
Once again, we appreciate the questions. Thanks for your engagement on the call. We'll see some of you a little later today. Thank you so much for attending.
Conference Call Operator
Operator
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