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McEwen Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to McEwen's Third Quarter 2026 Operating and Financial Results Conference Call. Present from the company today are Rob McEwen, Chairman and Chief Owner, Ian Ball, Executive Vice Chairman, Perry Ng, Chief Financial Officer, Amy Wang, Vice President, Finance and Tax, Channa Kumarage, Vice President of Operations, Kevin Bromfield, Vice President Development Projects, Zahir Jina, Vice President Permitting Government Relations and Sustainability, Stefan Spears, Vice President Corporate Development, Michael Meding, Managing Director of McEwen Copper, Cameron Diges, General Counsel and Secretary, Other management of the company will also be available to answer questions during the call. Please note, this event is being recorded. For the question and answer session after the speaker's presentation, if you would like to ask a question, press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Rob McEwen, Chief Owner. Please go ahead, sir.
Rob McEwen
Chairman and Chief Owner
Thank you, operator. Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Today, we're going to start right in trying to find some sunshine and look at how we're repairing some of our operations. And I'm going to ask Ian Ball, our vice chairman, to jump right into that discussion.
Ian Ball
Executive Vice Chairman
Thank you, Rob. Obviously, it was a very difficult quarter. I would call it a very unacceptable quarter. As a mining company, as a gold company, you have to make money, and we did not do that. And there's some very specific reasons, which I believe we're on the route to fixing, but that does not hold the disappointment that we felt with putting out our results yesterday. Despite the difficult quarter, we still are on track Ewen Inc., Sharon Giraudel, A little bit about the transition we're seeing from our old minds to our new minds. So I do want to spend some time first on Gold Bar because the issues that we started to see there began in Q2. They fed into Q3 and that was happening for a number of reasons. One, I would say there was a lack of oversight that we mentioned in our press release. From there, a lack of detail. There was delayed decision-making. And from there, we made a number of personnel changes, promoted various people who were on this call to higher up. And that is to correct this as soon as possible. Because it is a heap leach mine and not a mill, it does take time for those... We didn't start seeing higher output until the end of September into October and that's why we released the October production numbers and for Gold Bar, October was the highest production month in the last 15 months for that mine. Can we do better? Absolutely. There's still a lot of improvement we could do at Gold Bar, but it is now back generating positive cash flow for the month of October. We've seen a positive trend continue into November. At Fox, it was a situation where that mine, the fruit mine at the Fox complex was scheduled to come to an end. We did find some incremental ore and it was decided earlier on in the year to do development into that ore area. But most of that development cost was occurred in Q3, despite us mining there for another six to nine months, we could not spread it out over our ASIC. So with that and the... and the fact that the mill had excess capacity, we decided to draw down on a low-grade stockpile to feed the mill. Both of those items elevated the ASIC. Both are temporary and we showed in October that the costs for the month are now back within guidance and we suspect that they will be there and move lower as we transition into the new stock mine, which I'll touch upon in a second. And lastly, at San Jose, where we have a 49% interest, as probably many of you know, Latin America, particularly in Argentina, into Chile, experienced significant snowfalls this year, record amounts. And this caused increased moisture at the mill. Typically, the better grades at San Jose are associated with clay-like content. But with the moisture, this was causing issues at the plant. So they moved over to more sulfide-rich stockpiles, which were lower grade. Because the grade was lower, typically the gold and silver recoveries are also lower. So it was a bit of a compounding effect of why you saw the elevated costs and the lower production at San Jose. So what could be some good news if I'm an investor looking at this scenario and saying, well, why would I want to continue on with this company? And that's a very good question. What I would say is, one, these are temporary issues. And you probably have thinking to yourself, I've heard this before from this company. You promised me you're going to make changes and you put out another unacceptable quarter. And I would share that frustration. And what I'm saying today is. We do think with all the changes that we have made, we are in a position to make money and to build out the portfolio as we see it. At stock, we're just coming into the order zone this month. Stock should be a more profitable mine than fruit. It has much better bowl recoveries. There's no royalty. There's no haul to the mill. We can mill at a 30% increased capacity over Froome because the rock is softer. So we should start to see the benefits of that take hold in December and the beginning of the new year. We're also seeing a lot of our operations going from short mine life to much longer mine lives. Froom and Froom West were a couple of years. Stock is eight and a half to nine years. Gray Fox, which is part of the Fox Complex, is another 15 years. We're transitioning Gold Bar from being a three to four year in my life with Trinity, Windfall and Lookout to be a decade plus. We are now starting construction of our mill in Mexico, and that's expected to go for 10 to 20 years, depending upon the future permit we would receive there. So this quarter is a bit of a transition. We do think we can finance the growth with minimal share dilution going forward. So much as there was a lot of negative, there's still a lot of positive to be seen here, and we'll be happy to take any operating questions you have at the end of the call. I am going to hand it over to Michael Meding, our Managing Director of Los Azules, because despite this being a financial operating call, the developments at Los Azules obviously have a big impact on our overall valuation. Michael?
Michael Meding
Managing Director, McEwen Copper
Thank you, Ian. Good morning, everyone. Four topics on Los Azules. The work towards a final investment decision permits the winter and financing. The FID work, the engineering, cost estimate, and execution plan that form the basis for the decision are on track for completion around the end. METSO has started work on the main process plan packages under limited notices to proceed. Four international engineering firms bid for the EPCM contract. We expect to finish evaluating the bids before year-end and will award once final terms are negotiated. Metallurgical test work, including 10-meter column leach tests, continues to favorably support the heap leach design. Two dates, so nobody confuses them. Around year end, we complete the technical and the economical basis. The decision itself, with full project financing, is targeted for mid-2027. We are also updating the feasibility study. Three things drive it. Better geotechnical results than we expected, a higher long-term copper price in line with analyst consensus, and current costs from our recent bids. It's not a redesign. The project stays broadly the same. The base case does not use Newton as was the case in the feasibility. It is conventional bioheap leaching as used at many mines in Chile and Peru, some at higher altitude than ours, Quebrada Blanca and Delabra among them. We see potential for more copper over longer mine life. Lenders and investors in our financing process will work from this updated technical report. We target publishing it in February 2027. In September, we received the environmental approval to connect Los Azules to Argentina's national grids. Within three weeks of the public hearing in Calingasta, Calingasta is the community where we are operating in, It covers the high-altitude section of the line, which is coming to the supply alternatives we are considering. So we can build it whichever we choose. Basic engineering for the line and substations is complete and advanced enough to tender. We also obtained land-use approvals for the 3,000-bed construction camp and the Canadito camp, and environmental approval to explore the neighboring Marissa One property that we acquired some months back. One permit is outstanding the water concession. Our application is complete. The authority has no open information requests and we await the Provincial Water Council's decision and we are cautiously optimistic. The winter. The Andes had the heaviest snowfall in more than two decades, and it has delayed the reopening of our access roads. Road crews expect to reach site in early 2027. Snowmelt and spring weather could push it later. Site works will start later than planned, and that may affect the construction schedule. However, it does not affect the engineering cost work for FID, which is done off-site and with information we already have. We are assessing options to recover the lost time, including more camp capacity so more people can work at site sooner. They cost money, and we are weighing that against the time recovered. Our target to first cuppa remains 2030. Holding it depends on site access and the recovery measures we choose, and on completing the FID work, securing project financing, and customary approvals. I will add additional precisions once we have out the technical report. Safety through all of this, Los Azules closed the third quarter without a reportable incident or a lost time injury. Financing. In August, commitments under McEwen's copper term loan facility increased to $240 million, funding continued engineering and early works. At quarter end, McEwen copper had $157.8 million in cash and cash equivalents and $138.9 million in working capital. The term loan is bridge funding. It does not build a mine, obviously. For construction, we are working on three sources. The first is senior project debt. Societe Generale is sole financial advisor for the project's debt financing. In late October, it sent an indicative senior debt term sheet to a group of export credit agencies and development finance institutions. Their feedback will shape the final structure. The second is equity at the McEwen copper level from strategic investors. The third is a potential initial public offering of McEwen Copper. Preparations continue in parallel. None of the construction financing is committed today that is normal before the FID basis is complete, and you should hear it from me. We continue to target FID and full project financing in mid-2027. on McEwen's 46.3%. New equity will be raised at the McEwen copper level. To the extent McEwen does not subscribe, its percentage goes down. By how much depends on the amount of debt and the equity price and neither is said yet. We aim to raise that equity at higher price than past rounds so that future capital increases are accretive to McEwen as earlier rounds were. Community. In recent door-to-door survey of 2,529 residents in 10 communities near the project, 97 said they accept Los Azules and 90 said they trust it. From 2023 to mid-2026, the project sourced 27.7 million goods and services from supplies in Calingas and Barreal. That's an 11,000 people community. The nearest towns. In September, Los Azules was named Outstanding Mining Company in Corporate Social Responsibility at Argentina Mining Norte. So what to watch? The FID basis around the end, the EPCM award, the updated feasibility study targeted for February 2027, site access in early 2027, and the updated schedule. The lender's feedback and FID with full project financing in mid-2027. Thank you so much, and back to you, Rob.
Rob McEwen
Chairman and Chief Owner
Thank you, Mike. So despite our reduced cash flow during the quarter, We do have an adequate treasury, as Ian said, to cover our organic growth. And we're looking to double our production by 2030 to 250,000 to 300,000 ounces. In terms of our liquidity, at the end of the quarter, we had $49 million in cash and a further $10 million in marketable securities. And then early in 2020, October, we closed on a sale of non-core profits and raised, that added a further 55 million. We have the asset base. Our gold assets in all categories, resources, 5.8 million ounces. That is a solid foundation to allow us to build longer life mines and, as Ian said, at a lower cost. We also have a world-class copper project that Michael just spoke about, which is equal to, if you put it on a gold equivalent basis, is equivalent to a 56 million ounce gold deposit with very attractive costs. We do think there's some room to improve on that asset, and the technical work is being done and we'll see the results of that early in the new year. And for those reasons, I'm optimistic about our growth. I've invested over $290 million between McEwen Inc. and McEwen Copper, my own money, because I believe in the assets that we have. Mining, I've found over the years, comes with its challenges every once in a while, and we're going to overcome those and move forward. So at this point, operator, I'd like to welcome questions from the audience.
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Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Jake Sikelski with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Jake Sekelsky
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
Hello, Jake. Hi, Robin. Thanks for taking the questions.
Joseph Reagor
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Roth Capital Partners
Hey, Robin.
Jake Sekelsky
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
So just looking at the Los Azules timeline, I'm curious if the adverse weather has affected anything here, and have any delays on that front been built into the current timeline for the FID? Any color there would be helpful.
Rob McEwen
Chairman and Chief Owner
Sure. I'll ask Mike to answer your question, Jake.
Michael Meding
Managing Director, McEwen Copper
Hey, Jake, how are you doing? Jake, we had, I would say, three to four months delay on getting normally to site. And we want to start build out the camp early. And that obviously has impact. So that means that now we need to be more aggressive. In terms of scaling up camp capacity, and as you have seen and heard, we are now targeting a 3,000-bed camp instead of a 2,500-bed camp as before. So that will be part of the mitigation. So we are going to have more people working over the construction timelines than before in order to claw that back. Now, how the rest of the summer is going and what does it mean in terms of snowmelt and potential access? I think that we will be in a much better position once we have our feasibility out. But that's a one in 25 year event. and you had seen lots of impacts on the Chilean side and also other mine operations in Argentina. We are cautiously optimistic that we can claw back the time we have lost due to inclement weather conditions.
Jake Sekelsky
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
Okay, that's helpful. And then just looking at the quarter at San Jose, I mean, we saw much higher dividends in 2026 than originally expected. Should we expect the JV to sort of revert back to retaining cash flow as the project gets back to steady state here over the next quarter? How should we be thinking about dividends heading into 27 here?
Perry Ng
Chief Financial Officer
Sure. This is Perry. I can take that, Jake. So I would say as far as San Jose, we're not expecting any further dividends for their balance of 2026. but I could say their closure obligations I think are substantially or fully met at this point. So I think barring need for significant capital development because of a discovery, I would say we expect further additional dividends in 2027. The quantum will be, relative to silver prices uh obviously we saw you know very high silver prices uh late last year going into 2026 first half um but overall you know uh we think you know they will recover uh the production a large part of the production came for this year uh and their cash balance um was very healthy at the end of the third quarter i think about a hundred and 35 million in cash, approximately. So I would say look for a similar profile next year compared to this year.
Jake Sekelsky
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
Got it. Okay, that's all for me. Thanks again.
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Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Joseph Rigor with Roth Capital Partners. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Joseph Reagor
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Roth Capital Partners
Hi, Joe. Hey, Rob and team. Hey. Thanks for taking the questions. One kind of like counting question for me. You guys expensed some stuff from El Gallo and I think the Fox Complex's advanced projects category. Can you give us any guidance on what that might look like in Q4 and for next year? Obviously, it's been a bit higher than in prior years.
Perry Ng
Chief Financial Officer
Hi Joe, it's Perry. So in terms of El Gallo, we just started earthworks for construction of the mill. I think you'll see modest spend in Q4, but we won't get into the heavy spend until the EPCM contracts are finalized. So you'll see, I think, more consistent spend on that in the first half of 2027.
Joseph Reagor
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Roth Capital Partners
Okay, and will all that be expensed in advanced projects?
Perry Ng
Chief Financial Officer
No, you'll see that capitalized as we work through that project. Okay.
Joseph Reagor
Managing Director and Senior Research Analyst, Roth Capital Partners
Okay, and then given the production of, you know, over 3,000 gold equivalent ounces at Gold Bar in October, Are you expecting that kind of like 3,000 per month to continue for the rest of the quarter? Or was there, you know, some buildup on the pad that kind of came through well in October, but maybe it's more moderate for the rest of the quarter?
Ian Ball
Executive Vice Chairman
Yeah, I can address that, Joe. It's Ian Ball speaking. So there's nothing special about October. The grade was average. All right, thanks. I'll turn it over.
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Operator
Reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. Your next question comes from the line of Heiko Ile with H.C. Wainwright. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.
Heiko Ihle
Managing Director, Senior Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright
Hello, Heiko. Thank you guys for taking my question. How are you? At San Jose, you hinted at this on the call and also discussed the release. You were talking about the snowfall, the weather, just the excess moisture. Essentially, it sort of screwed up the plant a little bit. And I just want to see... What have we seen so far in Q4? You're only discussing Q3. All on a wet front. Is there maybe any changes you can make to the plan to avoid those blockages in the future? And just sort of help us out on what we should envision on a cost production guidance type of thing for Q4, maybe even beyond, if you'd be so kind.
Ian Ball
Executive Vice Chairman
Yeah, so it's Ian speaking again. So just on the plant, we have not had those conversations with Hochschild or any modifications. I would say this is the first time they've ever seen this type of moisture buildup over the 20 years that the plant's been operating. So will they need to recalibrate the plant for a one-off? I don't have the answer for you at this point. My gut tells me probably not that they won't do it. But that said, going into Q4, you know, the fourth quarter is typically very strong for San Jose. And, you know, speaking to the team at site there, you know, they fully expect that they can, you know, I think they did a very good job operating under a very difficult situation because there was more than just the moisture as well as the plants even getting to site, having these record high snowfall and getting people in and out. because it is a fly-in, fly-out camp. So, you know, you see that Michael's been speaking about it regarding in the high Andes. It was sort of, you know, all over the country. But that said, you know, we are expecting a very strong Q4 in line with what they've traditionally produced.
Heiko Ihle
Managing Director, Senior Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright
Cool. So essentially, in our models, we should, I don't want to say ignore the whole thing, but very much put it on the back burner going forward, that's fair to say?
Ian Ball
Executive Vice Chairman
No, yeah, I expect that everything's going to pick up in the fourth quarter. They're going to move back to the clay material, so that will automatically increase the grade. The recovery should go back to normal. Obviously, with lower grade, typically there's a fixed tail. Yeah, okay. Okay.
Heiko Ihle
Managing Director, Senior Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright
Completely different question. I'm in Zurich right now at a conference. In two different meetings, the topic of diesel prices came up in regards to costs for drilling. Can you maybe give us a dollar impact on how much you spend on diesel and what the delta is now versus call it Q1 and maybe how we could model it out going forward as well?
Channa Kumarage
Vice President of Operations
Hey Heiko, it's Channa, VP Operations. I don't have a full dollar value for that, but at Goba, we did see an impact of diesel cost, the increase of diesel cost in Q3, and that accounted for about $200 per ounce increase that impacted the cash cost there. So we do see that impact at all our sites.
Heiko Ihle
Managing Director, Senior Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright
But you want to maybe give us a rounded number or at least like a quantifiable measurement?
Perry Ng
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. I would say for other operations, the impact would be $50 per ounce or less. Gold bars are only an operation subject to significant diesel purchases. So I would not quantify the impact on our other sites as material.
Heiko Ihle
Managing Director, Senior Mining Analyst, H.C. Wainwright
Perfect. That's helpful. I'll get back to you. Thank you, guys.
Perry Ng
Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Michael.
Conference Operator
Operator
There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Rob McEwen, I turn the call back over to you.
Rob McEwen
Chairman and Chief Owner
Thank you very much, operator. We're getting on top of the issues that caused the problem in the third quarter, and we look forward to sharing those with you in the next quarter. Thank you.
Conference Operator
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.