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Oklo Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Oklo's third quarter 2026 financial results and webcast. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Sam Doane, Senior Director of Investor Relations. Sam, please go ahead.
Sam Doane
Senior Director of Investor Relations, Oklo
Thank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Oklo's third quarter 2026 earnings and company update call. I'm Sam Doane, Oklo's senior director of investor relations. Joining me today are Jake Dewitte, Oklo's co-founder and chief executive officer, and Craig Bealmear, our chief financial officer. Earlier today, we released our third quarter 2026 financial results. Today's accompanying slide presentation is available on our investor relations section of our website. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that today's discussion, including our prepared remarks and the question and answer session that follows, will include forward-looking statements. These statements reflect our current views regarding trends, assumptions, risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed today. We encourage you to review the forward-looking statements disclaimer included in our accompanying presentation. For a more complete discussion of these risks, please refer to our Form 10Q for this quarter, our most recent Form 10K, and our other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which you can access via our Investor Relations website. Oklo undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jake. Jake?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Thanks, Sam. Our ambition is to become one of the largest energy producers on Earth and beyond, and to make clean power, heat, and critical isotopes abundant and affordable. We believe we have never been better positioned to deliver that vision. We are building Aurora, Idaho in its first core fuel fabrication capability. We've brought Groves One into operation. We are securing fuel, bringing critical manufacturing expertise in-house, and arranging capacity for future deployments. Our balance sheet allows us to commit capital behind that work. We are building for fleets, not just for one, and our ability to simultaneously build a number of smaller scale projects as we build towards our larger scale goals gives us meaningful chances to iterate repeatedly and learn from execution. Each project develops people, processes, supplier relationships, and operating experience that we retain and apply across Oklo. This sets us up to win. Fuel is foundational. Our strategy uses our balance sheet to connect sourcing, fabrication, and recycling to support our own deployments and serve other potential customers. We're building reactors, we've built a reactor, we have fuel secured, we've operated a reactor, and we have the capital to keep going. That's where our confidence comes from. and government policies are creating additional pathways to put it to work. Three developments are particularly relevant to the business we are building. First, the NRC has finalized a rule that allows applicants to use relevant technical evidence from DOE authorized reactor projects to support commercial licensing. For Oklo, that reinforces the strategic value of advancing Aurora, Idaho under DOE oversight. The safety analyses, testing, and operating experience we develop can support subsequent NRC applications, where applicable, while meeting the NRC's requirements. That gives the work we are doing today greater value across future deployments. We are building an operating reference and a technical foundation that can support a broader Aurora fleet. Second, Groves 2 Forge was selected for the National Reactor Innovation Center's Nuclear Energy Launch Pad. That provides access to DOE authorization pathways and specialized nuclear expertise as we advance our integrated isotope production and processing pilot. We've already taken Groves 1 through DOE authorization. Groves 2 gives us the opportunity to apply that experience while adding the processing and finishing capabilities needed to deliver isotope products. Third, DOE's Nuclear Lifecycle Innovation Campus Initiative is solving for key difficulties in nuclear fuel infrastructure that could meaningfully impact our overall business plan. These campuses could connect fuel fabrication, enrichment, recycling, and waste disposition, potentially alongside reactors and power generation. That is closely aligned with our strategy. Scaling nuclear power requires investment across the fuel cycle, and we are developing capabilities to participate across several of those activities. Together, these developments support the direction we have deliberately taken, building reactors, developing fuel infrastructure, and retaining the experience needed to deploy repeatedly. They are an important part of why we believe we have never been better positioned to execute our vision. The campus initiative could be a particularly important opportunity for our recycling business. The Nuclear Lifecycle Innovation Campus priorities closely match what Oklahoma already plans to build. Recycling, fuel fabrication, power plants, and isotope production factories. And now federal policy is enabling these. There is also a significant potential funding mechanism. The DOE reported more than $50 billion in the Nuclear Waste Fund at fiscal year end 2025. Congressional action could make funding accessible for eligible nuclear waste management infrastructure within these campuses, including recycling, alongside private investment in commercial facilities. That could expand opportunities to provide recycling services, fabricate fuel, access recycling feedstock, and sell recovered materials, serving utilities and other reactor operators while strengthening supply for our own fleet. Our Tennessee project is already part of the Oklo development plan, and additional campus opportunities depend on agreements, funding, and approvals. We are developing capabilities these campuses would need that give us a concrete foundation to pursue a broader commercial market. We are building Oklo to earn revenue across the nuclear lifecycle. Our reactors are designed to sell electricity and heat with additional opportunities and irradiation services. Fuel fabrication can serve both our fleet and external customers. Recycling can recover usable fuel and valuable isotopes while providing services to owners of used nuclear fuel. Our isotope business serves specialized markets, including healthcare and space. These activities reinforce each other. Our powerhouses create fuel demand, fabrication and recycling support supply, engineering, procurement, asset delivery, and operating experience carry across the platform. We believe this integrated approach is allowing us to control our own destiny by giving us more security over critical deployment requirements and more ways to generate revenues as the nuclear energy industry scales. We are putting capital to work and assets on the ground. At Aurora, Idaho, construction is advancing into structural work. Alongside it, we are building A3F to fabricate the first core. We are advancing power projects, developing our Tennessee recycling facility, and preparing the Groves 2 forge. At Groves 1, we have already completed the journey from a greenfield site to an operating reactor. That experience now sits inside Oklo. These projects are at different stages, but they demonstrate the breadth of what we are executing. Reactors, fuel infrastructure, and isotope capabilities developed and informed together and by each other. We are investing with repeated deployment in mind. The teams, suppliers, manufacturing capabilities, asset delivery experience, and operating systems we established today are intended to support many more assets. This is how we are building a business capable of delivering fleets. Let's turn to power, starting with the construction progress at Aurora, Idaho. These photographs show just over seven weeks of progress at Aurora, Idaho. In September, you see site and foundation preparation. By early October, administration building foundation work was advancing. By November 4th, structural steel was going up. This is our capital translating into physical infrastructure with visible progress from one visit to the next. On a recent visit with a partner, what struck them was how much was happening on the ground and how quickly the site was changing. These photographs give you a sense of what they saw. Here you can see the reactor building going vertical, excavation, the access tower, and rebar installation. Reactor area excavation is complete, and safety-related rebar work is underway, and vertical steel is being installed. Alongside construction, our teams are advancing procurement, engineering, and the fuel fabrication capability needed for startup. The pace is visible, the coordination behind it is equally important, getting design, suppliers, equipment, and field execution moving together. We are building our first Aurora powerhouse and developing the construction experience, supply relationships, and project controls that will inform subsequent deployments. The work underway in Idaho is foundational to the fleet we intend to build. Bringing Aurora Idaho into operation requires construction, equipment, authorization, and fuel to come together. We are advancing all four in parallel. On construction, excavation at the site is complete and structural and safety-related rebar work is underway. The next steps are continued reactor area construction and equipment installation. On procurement, component requests for proposals have been released and vendor selected. The focus now moves to fabrication, delivery, and integration. On authorization, DOE has approved our Preliminary Documented Safety Analysis, or PDSA. The PDSA approval for the Aurora, Idaho is an important milestone. It is comparable to an NRC construction permit in that it serves as a key regulatory review point for the project's preliminary design and safety analysis, supporting the advancement of safety-related construction and procurement while helping reduce the risk of significant safety-driven design changes later in development. The remaining authorization milestones include completion and approval of the documented safety analysis, readiness review, and startup authorization. On fuel, we are developing A3F to fabricate and qualify our first core using our secured EBR2 material that we have already been allocated. We are managing these work streams together with specific execution milestones on the path to startup. We deliberately pursued interconnection applications across potential sites in PJM. Building a fleet requires developing several opportunities in parallel and managing the risks associated with each. Today, we have 900 megawatts under active consideration in PJM's 2026 cluster study. PJM withdrew one of our applications for a potential site in Virginia, and FERC ultimately dismissed our complaint challenging that withdrawal. That decision does not affect our Ohio project or our broader announced pipeline, and we are continuing to work constructively with PJM on those other interconnection applications. The Ohio site continues through the interconnection process supporting development of our planned campus of up to 1.2 gigawatts under our agreement with META. We are advancing that work alongside fuel procurement, site development, and execution planning. This demonstrates the practical value of Oklo pursuing multiple applications. A setback at one location leaves other development opportunities moving forward. Our focus is progressing these opportunities through the studies and agreements required to deliver power. This is not uncommon in power development efforts. You pick sites, you evaluate them, you pursue them, and often only a few make it. We acquired Armec and CEI to address specific execution needs, shorten development cycles, strengthen procurement, and improve our ability to manage costs. Armec is already advancing component specifications, evaluating supplier proposals, and supporting reactor module development at Aurora, Idaho. Its manufacturing expertise helps us assess with other vendors how components should be built and what they should cost. CEI brings decades of sodium systems experience and has built sodium test equipment and pumps for Oklo. Bringing that expertise inside the company gives our engineering teams direct access to the people designing, manufacturing, and testing these systems. These are world-class capabilities that we now have in-house at Oklo. And bringing these capabilities in-house also supports our deployment schedules and allows us to prioritize and coordinate iterations directly. It also creates an opportunity to retain manufacturing margin within Oklo and lower project costs as we put these capabilities to work. It is early days, but we are already finding opportunities for their value to extend across powerhouses, fuel fabrication and recycling. We bought capabilities that support execution today and can serve a growing fleet over time. Alongside our internal capabilities, we are securing external manufacturing capacity for repeated Aurora deployments. Oklo has signed an agreement with U.S. Forged Rings or USFR to provide capacity equivalent to 27 Aurora modules across 2030 through 2035, covering large components such as vessels, lids, and support structures. These components require specialized manufacturing and advanced planning. Reserving capacity now gives us a stronger foundation for coordinating future orders and deployment schedules. The agreement also enables us to expand to include expansion options on additional eligible new capacity. USFR's planned US manufacturing campus would support domestic production with deliveries dependent on facility completion and qualification. Individual purchases will be documented in subsequent orders. This relationship complements our broader supplier network. We are using our capital and purchasing commitments to address potential bottlenecks early and give suppliers visibility into our needs. That is what planning for a fleet looks like, arranging the production capacity today that multiple deployments will require. AI is also accelerating and impacting how our businesses can execute more quickly and efficiently. We are already using AI to accelerate technical work and make our engineering expertise go further. One example is at Groves, where in less than a week, a single engineer used AI to adapt existing Aurora Powerhouse multi-physics models into a modeling prototype for Groves. Our team estimates that this compressed months of modeling work into days. Engineering work originally developed for our powerhouses directly accelerated progress in our isotope business, a prime example of our integrated platform at work. We are also automating repetitive technical documentation. Legacy document conversion that took days can now take minutes, with document control rules encoded in software to automate checks. The broader opportunity is to connect engineering knowledge inside Oakland. That includes our models, technical data, documents, and the people responsible for them. We are working to make those relationships more explicit in our software so teams can trace where information came from, how it changed, and who is responsible for it. That can reduce time spent finding information, checking consistency, and recreating work while supporting a clearer audit trail. Reusable AI agents and workflows are allowing teams to share those improvements across engineering, coding, documentation, and analysis. Our objective is to reduce the time and cost of delivering technical work and give our people more capacity to solve engineering problems. As we expand, those capabilities can support more projects across Oklo. Now turning to fuel, which is the foundation for bringing our first powerhouse online and scaling the fleets. We are building the Aurora, Idaho powerhouse and the capability to fuel it in parallel. We have secured access to recovered EBR2 fuel for our first powerhouse and at the Aurora Fuel Fabrication Facility, or A3F, we are preparing to turn that material into finished fuel assemblies for its first core. Facility equipment installation is underway. We are targeting our first full fuel assembly in 2027 with fabrication activities coordinated to support Aurora, Idaho's targeted startup. That coordination matters. Our teams can align fuel specifications, manufacturing processes, qualification and delivery directly with the reactor's requirements. We are also exploring opportunities for A3F to serve third party customers to further support revenue generation from its fabrication capabilities. The immediate priority is delivering the first core. The manufacturing experience and quality systems we establish can also inform future fuel facilities. We are putting the material, equipment, and manufacturing capability in place alongside the powerhouse that will use the fuel. DOE has selected Okla for approximately $6.8 million to advance recycled metal fuel with Idaho National Laboratory. This supports a specific part of our strategy, turning material recovered through recycling into fuel for Aurora and other reactors. The project addresses fabrication and qualification together. Its scope includes developing manufacturing methods, fabricating and testing fuel specimens, and using performance modeling to inform recycled fuel qualification. The objectives are to retain higher fabrication yield and throughput with less process waste, which could impact the economics of supplying recycled fuel to our entire fleet. The work also includes preparing specimens for future radiation testing at Aurora, Idaho. That connection is important. We are building Aurora, Idaho, while developing the fuel capabilities that can support subsequent deployments. Our reactor platform is intended to help generate operating data that informs future fuel development. We are developing recycling and fabrication capabilities around the needs of the fleet we intend to operate and for additional opportunities to serve other reactor customers. This project advances the technical work needed to make recycled fuel a scalable source of supply for our reactors and other reactors for third party revenue. It is important to highlight that our goals with our recycling and fuel fabrication capabilities are to become leading fuel suppliers, not just for our reactors, but for others reactors as well, opening up potential fuel revenue streams from third parties. Turning to isotopes, starting with what we delivered at Groves One and what that experience makes possible. We discussed Groves One last quarter, but I want to put the scale of that achievement back into context. The photograph here looks straight down into the reactor's core structure. We completed substantial construction in 229 days and reached first criticality less than a year after groundbreaking. That is an extraordinary pace for a complex industrial facility. Grows One was built on private land and financed with private capital. Its major systems, components, fuel, and construction services were commercially sourced or manufactured by Oklo. DOE provided rigorous safety oversight in the authorization pathway, while Oklo supplied the capital and lead execution. The build cost was approximately $65 million, plus approximately $10 million for commercially sourced fuel from Fermatone. Groves One is a low-power test reactor designed to establish experience for future isotope production facilities. We took that project from an open field through construction, authorization, commissioning, and startup of a nuclear facility in less than a year. The significance of Groves One goes beyond the reactor physics. We built a complete nuclear facility and, in doing so, created the organization required to deliver and operate nuclear assets. That capability creation was substantial. We developed a site and completed civil construction. We built a safety basis and engineering documentation required for DOE review, along with the quality assurance and configuration controls needed to manage the project. We established security, radiation protection, emergency preparedness, and maintenance programs. We built the operating organization that meant hiring, training, and qualifying the people responsible for the facility, writing and testing their procedures, and demonstrating to DOE that the facility and organization were ready to operate safely. On procurement, we qualified suppliers, negotiated commercial terms, completed factory acceptance testing, and took specialized equipment through installation and commissioning. The project controls behind that work also had to function together. Cost, schedule, supplier performance, construction sequencing, and readiness planning. Oklo built these capabilities. We used them and demonstrated them through Groves One. We now have real construction data, trained operators, operating experience, and DOE authorization experience inside Oklo. The organization required to deliver a nuclear asset has been tested through completed work. Our build, own, and operate model allows us to retain that experience and apply it across the company. For future isotope facilities, the transfer is most direct. We can reuse and improve the operating programs, supply relationships, authorization experience, and workforce capabilities established at gross one. For Aurora powerhouses, we can adapt the project controls, procurement processes, construction sequencing and commissioning, and readiness practices to a larger and more complex facility. That experience is already informing our approach at Aurora, Idaho. For fuel fabrication and recycling, we can apply experience with nuclear quality systems, material handling, radiological controls, and security programs. Each project still requires its own engineering, safety analysis, authorizations, and execution plan, and our teams now address these requirements with experience from a completed nuclear deployment. We retain the people and procedures. We retain the cost and schedule data, operating experience, and lessons learned. Each project gives us an opportunity to improve how we deliver the next one. That meaningfully changes the starting point for future assets. It is how we are building the capability to deploy repeatedly across the business. Groves II builds on that foundation with a broader integrated isotope production facility. At Groves II, we plan to bring irradiation, processing, and product finishing together in one facility. Groves One Test Facility established our reactor capability. Groves Two adds processing and product finishing facilities in addition to its reactor and irradiation capability. This integrated scope would allow us to produce isotopes, separate and purify them, and prepare finished products for delivery. Bringing those steps together is intended to shorten turnaround times, reduce costs, and deliver products that meet more of our customers' needs. We can directly build on experience from Groves One in construction, procurement, operations, and completing the DOE authorization process. That gives our team a practical starting point for executing this broader scope. We have already purchased and secured fuel from Promotone for Groves 2. The project has also been selected for DOE's nuclear energy launch pad, which will enable us to begin construction through DOE authorization. We are still finalizing the site location and developing the integrated facility scope. We have never been in a better position to execute. We have the capital and experience needed to advance our work across all businesses. The milestones on this slide show what we intend to accomplish next. At Aurora, Idaho, we are targeting installation of major reactor components. At A3F, we intend to complete equipment installation and fabricate our first fuel assemblies. In recycling, we are targeting pilot facility commissioning in 2027. In isotopes, our targets are to begin construction of Groves II and complete our first contracted isotope delivery. These are ambitious targets. They give our teams clear priorities and investors concrete measures of our progress. Timing will depend on execution and required approvals. Thanks, Jake. Thanks, Jake.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Through the first nine months of 2026, we continued to advance projects across our business units while maintaining a strong balance sheet. Year to date, net loss through the third quarter was $123.3 million. This included a loss from operations of $195.2 million, partially offset by $72.4 million of net interest and dividend income. Cash used in operating activities was $110.9 million year to date. This includes the net loss of $123.3 million, adjusted primarily for $49.1 million of non-cash stock-based compensation and $36.7 million of net changes in working capital and other adjustments. We continue to expect cash use and operations to be within our guided range of $120 million to $150 million. Cash use and investing activities was $1.3 billion. That included $965.1 million of net cash used for purchases of marketable securities related to the cash generated from our ATM program. Year-to-date capital spend was $280.9 million as we continued planned investments in the deployment of assets across our three businesses. We expect cash used for property, plant, and equipment to be within our guided range of $400 million to $500 million. At September 30th, we had $3.1 billion of cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities. This included $1.5 billion of cash and cash equivalents and $1.6 billion of marketable securities. The balance also reflects $2.3 billion raised through our ATM offerings during the first three quarters of the year. We proactively and intentionally raised capital to build the financial capacity to advance projects across our platform. The balance sheet is giving us the financial flexibility to fund planned work across all three business lines as projects progress, including development and construction activities, long lead equipment purchases, and fuel acquisition for powerhouses and isotopes. It also allows us to make project investments when required and enables commercial flexibility to support execution against our planned milestones. Before we move to questions, I want to connect our financial position with the progress Jake described and what we are targeting next. We've positioned the company to be in execution mode and are taking actions to build assets to generate revenue for each business line. Our balance sheet allows us to secure fuel and equipment early, build critical capabilities, and advance projects in parallel. That capital is being put to work. Groves One is complete. Aurora INL is advancing through construction with its preliminary documented safety analysis approved and A3F equipment installation is underway. We are also preparing for the projects that follow. Our internal manufacturing capabilities, supplier agreements, and fuel strategy are intended to support repeated deployment. Customer commitments reinforce that work. META's prepayment supports Ohio development and fuel procurement, and developing customer agreements are advancing our isotope business into space applications. Our model as well as our M&A strategy is designed to retain and leverage the operating experience across our power, fuel and isotope businesses. And we are seeing ways for fuel fabrication and recycling to not only support our fleet, but also create opportunities to serve other customers and generate revenue. Our responsibility is to deploy capital with discipline and convert these capabilities into operating assets and customer deliveries. The milestones Jake outlined provide concrete measures of that progress. Thank you for joining us today. Operator, we are ready for questions.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Joseph Osha with Guggenheim. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Joseph Osha
Analyst, Guggenheim
Thanks, everyone. Good morning and thanks for the update. I'm wondering if we could drill a little bit more into the fuel business, in particular the potential for third-party revenue. I'm wondering about the timing for that and also what that might look like. Are we thinking is that all going to be highly enriched fuel, standard enriched fuel, and would that be fed entirely by recycling or procurement from elsewhere? Just more detail there would be great because that's interesting.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Jake, do you want to take that one or you want me to? And you're on mute. I'll take it since it looks like Jake's having a few technical difficulties. So I think, you know, it's a really good question and thanks for it. It could take a couple of forms. So, you know, we're building out, you know, strategically a recycling business and we've always said that, you know, that business is not only being developed for the production of fuel for Oklo Powerhouses, but we're also starting to explore other non-Oklo customers for that business. but maybe closer to the here and now, Ryan Webster, who leads our fabrication division and is leading the charge on A3F. There's fabrication that we think we could do for others. Some of the investments that we are looking into and some of the partnerships around Conversion, deconversion can also be sources of revenue. And maybe the other thing I keep pushing Ryan on is, is there a world even before we're ready to fabricate and produce fuel for others where we could offer technical services? So we're really trying to explore all those options in parallel at the moment.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
And I'll just chime in and add a little bit more. I think there's a couple of things that kind of Add the capabilities here. If you think about what we have at Fuel Fabrication, to answer your question in a number of ways, it's really a capability that is, frankly, our goal is to be the leading fuel fabricator for advanced fuel forms. We're not working on Triso, obviously, but for what we're doing with metallic fuel, with high-acid, low-enriched, or LU-type plus oxide fuels for advanced reactors, as well as for support for next-generation fuel forms like nitrides and zirconium hydrides. Things like that, that we will have the capabilities and expertise and capacity to be able to support. That's work for others, right? And the reason we highlighted those is because we've seen interest and we know there's demand and we know there's a capacity shortage to make fuel to serve those markets. And primarily that's going to focus on stuff that's above LEU, but there's going to be the capacity to work with LEU, given that there's some unique things you can do with some of those fuels with normal low and restraining. When I say above low-interest uranium, I'm talking about things that live between 5% and all the way up to just under 20, right? So that spectrum is going to be a pretty strong focus area. And how we look at that is that's not all the capabilities we necessarily have to do. We have the infrastructure in the building and the facility. Others can come in and rent that space from us, bring their own. Thank you for joining us. What other fast reactor companies are doing? What other micro reactor company concepts are exploring and doing and enabled by advanced fuel forms? What space reactors need? But also even as we look at advanced fuel forms going to next generation light water reactors or just upgrades at light water reactors, all of that can tie into because we have a significant shortage of fuel fabrication capacity today for the light water fleet looking outward. not something that's core to us to get into you know making the kind of bread and butter of the light water fleet today but being able to be supportive be a place for or even be a direct manufacturer for advanced fuel forms that can support those is pretty important and then we can work with yes that fresh uranium infrastructure feed that comes in but also with the output of what comes from the recycling facility so it gives us quite a bit of flexibility in terms of being able to make what we need support fabricating. And again, either we make it and sell those services or sell the fuel to them or we provide them the space to come do that. So there's a number of different ways we can offer kind of in the value chain and be able to capture some of that in terms of revenues.
Joseph Osha
Analyst, Guggenheim
And just very quickly, some rough sense of first revenue on this. I know it's hard, but got to ask.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
I think it depends on a couple of variables for how this goes. There's some potential for early services revenue that could come over the course of the next two years, but the real ramp rate is going to happen after the facilities are scaled into operation and beyond and other companies' reactor deployments move forward into those areas. But we're eagerly looking at ways that that's evolving. And frankly, as As we develop this capability and people pay more attention to it, we keep sort of seeing new folks showing up with different ideas and concepts. So it brings a couple of different ways for that to come to the table. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Dimple Gosai with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Dimple Gosai
Analyst, Piper Sandler
A very good morning and thanks for the question here. and just a big shout out I thought the deck was excellent so so well done on that can you please remind us on the DSA submission timing Jake and also once Aurora is operating does it sell power commercially under DOE authorization or only after it moves to NRC license under this new DOE to NRC rule right and then just on that still what is the expected timing if The transition happens. Can you remind us of this and of data? Thank you.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yes. So a couple of variables to that. So the PDSA is a very important milestone, allows us to build, which is why we're in construction and the depth we are. The DSA will happen much closer to construction completion. So we don't imagine that going forward until 2028. being the thing that makes the sense to do. Then in terms of timing for transition to the NRC, it's going to depend on our operational milestones and other things we can do. One important thing about Aurora Idaho is, yes, it can sell power, but it can also sell irradiation services. There is no fast irradiation, fast neutron, sorry, irradiation capability available. Thank you very much. So it's going to be able to monetize that that support next generation materials and fuel research for everything from federally funded research programs all the way through private investment. I mean, we've seen companies in the United States and in Europe, well, all throughout the world have to invest and spend money to send things to Russia to be tested. And that's in the past. Obviously, those things aren't open and available anymore. So we'll have the capability and capacity to support those things here, as well as tremendous potential for isotope Thank you so much for joining us. can largely be done to varying degrees under DOE authorization. And so can power sales under certain use cases. But ultimately, it allows us to have a much more unconstrained point of operations when we convert that over to the NRC and give us a lot more flexibility. So that's kind of the why and the timing of that. But one of the things, for example, that's nested pretty significantly into the executive orders from May 2025 was the ability to sell power to the data centers under DOE authorization. So in other words, sell power to a data center offtaker directly under DOE authorization. So, you know, that is another pathway that could be something that makes sense to do under that sort of trajectory. But again, having the flexibility from the NRC conversion and given the confidence we see in the time we spent with the NRC to date, you know, let's not forget that About a year and a half ago, we completed a readiness review preparing to submit the application before the accelerated pathways that came from DOE opened up. So, you know, we're excited to be able to actually go through that effort. And we see the NRC's preparedness to be able to take an application and move it forward to be converted into an NRC space. So ultimately, that's the end state we'll end up. But there's a number of things you can do before that happens. We have a pretty wide degree of flexibility.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
And then DEMPO, you know, in terms of power cells, you know, under the DOE permit, we can sell power to the labs, which we've always seen that as being the first initial customer for power coming out of the powerhouse. And then we will transition to an NRC permit. I think the good news is it doesn't really feel like DOE and NRC are working collaboratively to find ways to streamline that process because they're, I think, rebuilding the streamlined process. It's hard to put and a definitive timeline on it, but it definitely feels like an accelerator. And I'll make sure that Sam and the team get the thank you on the deck because they did all the hard work.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of George Janarikas with Canaccord Genuity. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
George Gianarikas / Mark Bianchi
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity / Analyst, TD Cowen
Hi, everyone. Thank you for taking my questions. My question is on plutonium. What's your current timeline and potential expected cost structure for receiving some of the government held surplus? Thank you.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I think we see. So there's a couple of variables developing there. We continue to make progress through sort of the DOE's programs and engagement to set the stage for that. I think what we're expecting is a tranching of material from different sources and sort of availability and Quote unquote, you know, manufacturability more directly. So some of it might need some work before it becomes manufacturable. And so the point is to work with stuff that's more readily available. And so that's continuing to progress. We're eager and excited to see that continue. We're obviously very excited about the traction on that point. Unfortunately, I think the timeline for what that's going to look like, we expect to become a lot clearer in the next few months in terms of when that material is going to be able to come out and move available or move forward on that. We're hopeful and optimistic there'll be various interim milestones along the steps there over the course of the next few months for that material to release into being able to fabricate. The questions then about cost structure, I mean, in general, again, one of these things that is somewhat dependent on programmatic structures and contours, but generally inclined to being provided to as is with no specific fee or cost. But then the cost to fabricate is obviously burdened by the recipient. So that's kind of the thing. So it provides a pretty attractive solution. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mark Bianchi with TD Cowen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
George Gianarikas / Mark Bianchi
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity / Analyst, TD Cowen
Thank you. I wanted to ask about the Ohio project and meta there. Is the agreement with META binding to build the reactor? And if not, when would you get to that point and maybe walk us through some of the milestones that would need to occur to get there?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, so it's not binding as is to build the reactor. I think it's natural for a project like this and especially one where META's leaned in to help drive forward a kind of a new model that's constructive to nuclear here because let's just remember there really is no example for this from like a nuclear sort of developer operator model to bring it forward but obviously it's attractive to them to select that and that's why they've done it it kind of progresses through various stages to you know move through the site development the long-lead procurement like fuel and also into you know interconnection and then into full execution but it's a it's a relational build-up and what's important about that for us too is it brought them to bring capital at the beginning to help with that to show a path then to continue scale and execute and illuminate the clear path to when delivery is going to be and then also The costs. And when I say the costs, I just don't mean the OCLA costs, but the actual prevailing cost of power too, and sort of how those things converge in a constructive way. So it works for everybody. But with the recognition that, you know, what they, I think, not, you know, generally when you look at kind of how I think the strategies went into what they did to put these things together and this program together, it was about finding the partners to help advance this because they see the technologies being significantly enabling to them. and instead of just being a purely transactional partner, they want to be a development partner as well in ways that also make sense for us. And so finding a way to do that was what we were pretty excited about landing in with this deal. But it has a very clear trajectory, right? Thank you very much. It's kind of a build up along a normal development project before it executes into that stage. And we like that because, again, it brings them to the table with us as a partner and not just as kind of a transactional customer.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Mark, there are some binding elements to it, such as, you know, they've provided some capital that gives them, you know, reservation capacity. And then we have milestones in terms of doing things with that capital with probably the first kind of big milestone around that being the securing of fuel. And we are working on that process as we speak. And then there'll be other milestones further down the line as we progress the project. Great.
George Gianarikas / Mark Bianchi
Analyst, Canaccord Genuity / Analyst, TD Cowen
Thanks so much, guys. I'll turn it back.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from Brian Lee with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Brian Lee / Ryan Pfingst
Analyst, Goldman Sachs / Analyst, B. Riley
Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just a big picture one. I know it's early days, but we obviously had a bit of a pivot in the political landscape here this week. And then you've had a lot of these sort of state level issues. Moratorium starting to pop up and become pretty, you know, meaningful points of debate for data center development going forward. So I guess in that context, you know, a lot of folks kind of assume you guys are mostly going to be focused on data center, BTM type of applications with the Aurora powerhouse. But given the 75 megawatt configuration, it seems like you guys would be better suited than some of your larger scale SMR peers, larger scale in terms of their capacity to go after other types of applications non-data center related. Have you guys given any thought to sort of a shift in go-to-market or at least allocating more of a push to non-data center opportunities going forward just in the context of all that's going on?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I think to get into it too, I mean, one of the things that's Yes, the answer is yes. And that was always kind of a posture we had. Obviously, data centers are, you know, well-heeled, fast-moving, needing a lot of power and consuming it in chunks. And now we see maybe some various dynamics evolving. I do think that you're going to see, you know, continued concentration of data centers of states that are supportive of this because there are states that are going to be supportive and interested in having these things. And that's just going to further Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. I think one thing we're going to see probably is a focus on also moving and heavily incentivizing in the ways that are possible clean power generation to come in and support whether it be for data center generation or just new generation as a whole in light of the election results. Nuclear is really well positioned to do that. So I feel pretty optimistic that either the policy shifts that are going to be moving towards maybe Just a continued effort of saying, bring your own power if you're going to build here, as well as policies that are trying to attract manufacturing jobs in the States. They're going to need power production, and nuclear is just incredibly well-suited to do that. And our positioning at our size range is very ideal for that, too. It's not too small at the megawatt scale for some of that to matter, and it's not so big that you can't serve either an industrial facility or an industrial park. Instead, it's pretty well-suited to serve in that sweet spot.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Brian, I would just also point out, you know, the ADVANCE Act, you know, which was great for our sector and our business came under the prior under the Biden administration. You know, I've attended the U.S. Governor's Conference and there were as many Democrat as there were Republican governors who wanted to talk to OKLAHOS. I think that demand for the clean, affordable, reliable power is, you know, I don't think that demand profiles go in a way which, you know, we definitely have not had, you know, the elections happened, but I didn't have our corporate development team saying suddenly customers are calling saying they're not interested. So I think it's, which is why we're so focused on putting assets on the ground.
Brian Lee / Ryan Pfingst
Analyst, Goldman Sachs / Analyst, B. Riley
That's great. I appreciate all the color guys. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Nate Pendleton with Texas Capital Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Nate Pendleton
Analyst, Texas Capital Bank
Good morning and congrats on the continued progress. I wanted to touch on the ARPA-E funding for recycled fuel on slide 18. How much of the EPR2 fuel data carries over to recycled fuel given the residual lanthanides and actinides in the recycled fuel? And I guess what still has to be proven through testing or is this more around process optimization?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I mean, in this program, Thank you for joining us. You know, transuranic grain fuel is a full kind of commercial usage. That said, we do look to augment and enhance that with the fact that we'll have the Aurora plant running and we'll be able to use that to actually radiate test pens and lead test assemblies of transuranic grain fuel to, I think, fully characterize and Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much. Given that it has some huge benefits, right, and advantages. So it's pretty exciting to see what that's looking like across the board.
Nate Pendleton
Analyst, Texas Capital Bank
Got it. Thanks for taking my question.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Derek Soderbergh with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Derek Soderberg
Analyst, Cantor Fitzgerald
Yeah, hey, guys. So just regarding the US Forge rings, I was curious if you could talk about your expected capital commitment there, if there's anything. And then what sort of component volumes are contemplated in the agreement? And then finally, just any additional color on why you're moving forward with USFR over maybe some other more established steel companies? Thanks, guys.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I mean, I think we work with a number of partners here. So, you know, we're excited about and feel confident about how we kind of approach having offtake. I think we're very we're I'm sorry, not offtake, supply for what we need to do to deliver. But I think at the end of the day, like what we saw here was a group that has the ability to stand up and support some large capacity that we expect to be able to grow into and would like to have that decongest some of the backlog in other areas. Again, because of our pace and where we're at, especially the Aurora project, we feel very good about what we need in the near term. The question, though, is that scales into the longer term. and that's where we see new entrants are needed because the capacity is just not going to be there and so that's why we're going to be able to be supportive and drive that forward.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
And at the moment it's an initial small investment and then it gives us you know reservation and capacity that as they scale up then we can access that capacity and that you know but that would be commitment for procurement that we would be doing as we scale up the fleet. Perfect, thanks guys.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Ryan Fingst with B. Reilly. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Brian Lee / Ryan Pfingst
Analyst, Goldman Sachs / Analyst, B. Riley
Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. What are some of the remaining items that we should be thinking about, you know, coming next on the supply chain or procurement and manufacturing for both Aurora, INL, and then the longer term fleet deployment strategy?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
I think so I think in general like what we look at across the board there and definitely Greg chime in on this but I think as we see kind of the stack of what we need to do to support this is we're trying to solve to build obviously what we need to do for one there's sometimes solutions you find for that that are important for time right and we've been working really aggressively for time optimization to build that um quickly the sometimes some of the suppliers providers don't necessarily have the scale to do at the beyond one uh at the rates we expect to go to so you kind of want to balance and work with that in a number of ways and also balance that with having you know not having just a single supplier risk and work with a number of suppliers well then also evaluating what is it that we want to bring in house and make ourselves and I think a view we've long had is you know it's great to theoretically talk about oh we do everything in-house we verticalize every single thing um uh that's that's that's that's a great thing to do when you have enough data and an understanding of what you actually need and want to do based on having built a few of these things rather than doing it all up front because you're inevitably going to have to go back and retool and there's a lot of capital needed to do that and all those kinds of things so finding that right balance is something of intentional focus for us that's why you can build the one to go to many and have that kind of vector in mind and so as we think about how that works we've been fortunate to bring in some you know fantastic team on procurement and on supply chain as well as internally for manufacturing capabilities and that's kind of dictated why we've gone out and built out capabilities in-house we've acquired capabilities like Armec to really expand the things that we need to build ourselves but also find those suppliers that can actually meet what we need to do what we're trying to do here. I don't know, Craig, if you want to add anything on that.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Well, I would say in terms of INL, you know, I meet with Rob Patowski and our procurement team, you know, every other week, and we've got the procurement plan for INL, you know, it's in place and we are executing against it. And, you know, we knew what the critical path items were and we, you know, acquired accordingly. But I think in terms of what's next, we're already starting to work with QIT on what can we do differently and what will we do differently for subsequent powerhouse deployments? How might we use you know to Jake's point RMAC and other things that we brought in house and then we'll start working on that procurement strategy then and I won't name the vendor but you know we actually had one of our key suppliers visiting us this week down at Groves and the nature of those conversations was more about you know what more can we can we do together so I think it's great that we've got partnership with our key suppliers. And, you know, it's a twofold conversation. Part one is deploying the, you know, working on the deployment of the assets that are going on the ground today. But the second part of the conversation is what's next.
Brian Lee / Ryan Pfingst
Analyst, Goldman Sachs / Analyst, B. Riley
I appreciate all that detail, guys. Thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Campbell with Seaport Research Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Jeffrey Campbell
Analyst, Seaport Research Partners
Thanks for taking my question. Just to shift gears a little bit over to Groves 2. I was wondering if you're currently working with any drug industry participants to refine your view of the isotopes that might be in greatest demand when the facility is capable of producing product. Thanks.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
So Jeff, I think the short answer to that question is yes. And Ray Wang and the team, you know, I think Groves 2 is kind of interesting because it's got two access points as we're working on, you know, Getting ready to start that project. One is clearly, you know, where is it going to go? How do we leverage the learnings from Groves One? It will be a larger asset. It will be a commercial asset. But the other bit is the conversations we're having with pharma and other customers so that we make sure that the isotopes we intend to produce can meet their needs. And that's a very, I think that's probably where Ray and his team spend a good chunk of their time at the moment.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Fully echo that. That's the great thing about this is it's a versatile platform. We've coupled that with the demonstration of execution of Groves One, and it gives us the ability to work with a number of different folks. I think the thing I see excitedly on the radioisotope side is there's kind of a strategy that's approaching, right? One is having the ability to produce for what the markets want and need in the kind of immediate term that's known, right? And there's a few clear isotope examples for that. but then there's a spectrum of others and that was always kind of the intent of the Reactor platform here is being versatile in its production that are much more in the exploratory stages. One thing that I think we've been observing is The capabilities of the application of computational biology to explore the ligands, to explore the different molecular carriers of these isotopes has been pretty significantly underexplored, frankly, radically underexplored. And now with AI, it's just not really being done because there wasn't a lot of interest to say, well, let's spend a lot of, like, let's spend those resources looking at things to carry, you know, isotopes that just we can't buy. So why would we do that? So they don't. Thank you for having me. at the at the developmental stages in the exploratory stages the fundamental research stages right we can work with them and say hey what do you need okay you know in these cases we can make these here they are and then from there you've you've been able to start producing the quantities needed to support that early stage R&D that can then maybe translate into and propagate all the way out to something um that's that's in full production But then we'll have the capability to actually have that flexibility to provide across a number of use cases. And then that opens up the door for many more, right? So it's that kind of two-pronged approach of go after what's clear and new, but we've got extra neutrons floating around that we're not going to need to use for producing things like lutetium-177 or other similar isotopes that are kind of flagship isotopes at the moment. but it's that can be used to start making these exploratory quantities of others and then hopefully that's going to be a huge boon when that sort of helps support and drive further investments applying AI and computational biology to explore and develop these carrier molecules and then the use of other isotopes right that aren't being produced at all today that might be transformative in their capability at the therapeutic level all of a sudden we can start to bring those forward right I mean it's just it's super exciting to think about what this all looks like but you need that capability and that platform and it doesn't exist and we're excited to be building on.
Brian Lee / Ryan Pfingst
Analyst, Goldman Sachs / Analyst, B. Riley
Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Souther with Truist Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Christopher Souther
Analyst, Truist Securities
Hey, good morning. Thanks for your question, Pierre. I just wanted to follow up a little bit on the supply chain and U.S. stuff.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Chris, you're breaking up. We're not getting the question, I don't think. Yeah, we can't really hear it. I think we should move on and then maybe we can bring Chris back. Try again.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Seth Basham with Wedbush Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Seth Basham
Analyst, Wedbush Securities
Thanks a lot. Good morning and thanks for taking my question. My question is regarding the Virginia application that the PGM rejected, and if you wouldn't mind just recapping why it was rejected, and does that reasoning apply to any of your other interconnection requests, including Ohio?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I think just to add a little color on that, I mean, you know, we're active in engagement on, I believe it's 900 megawatts of development capacity in Ohio, or does not affect our plans in Ohio. I was really focused on some other opportunities developing that, you know, we're still continuing to explore and look at ways it can develop and advance in different or alternative pathways. It's a very interesting time, right? Because I think one of the things that's been observed, broadly speaking, has been a general, I think a general... Thank you so much for joining us today. for the current administration and for various state leaders. And it's a focus of bipartisan interest to make sure that we can get power plants online. And one of the things that some of these interconnection processes struggle with is novelty. Novelty is key to going to the future. And that was one of the things that stood out about this was we were bringing in a mix of fuel sources and their processes just didn't know how to handle it. And the kind of default is, well, we don't know what to do right now, but we're gonna try to figure it out to go somewhere, maybe in the future in a different way. And I think as you look across the spectrum, as an example set of those where folks were applying innovatively to that obviously things you know there are things that went through and carried along as as anticipated which is great we continue to develop those in Ohio we also remain excited about some of these future other opportunities just given their proximity to where we see very attractive and exciting markets developing yeah and you know it was one application it was rejected for technical reasons um we're
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Actually, we don't agree with the technical reasons for why it was rejected, but, you know, we got to play the ball where it lies. But I actually think it just reinforces the strategy we had to have more than one application. So, you know, we're moving forward from there, but no read across to Ohio.
Seth Basham
Analyst, Wedbush Securities
Got it. And just as a follow up on Ohio itself, what's the expected timeline for that application?
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
You know, we're working through the PGM process, which I think, you know, is going to take place over the next 24 months. But, you know, I always think there are things you manage, things you influence and things are the environment. And definitely, I think the PGM process is one more that we influenced and managed.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I'll just say, I mean, that was part of this last wave and it's continuing to kind of progress through, right? So it's not for a new set. It's one that came through for the last wave and it's continuing to go forward.
Seth Basham
Analyst, Wedbush Securities
Got it. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Samir Ghoshi with HC Wainwright. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Samir Ghosh
Analyst, H.C. Wainwright
Good morning, Jake, Greg. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the progress. Just a quick question on the relationship with Centris and was there any progress or what is the next nine to 12 months plan of action on that front?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I think I think what we see is like we continue to be quite engaged with them and with various enrichment partners to continue to develop the market there. We're in a great position given, you know, we have the projects we have given, for example, like Craig pointed out to, again, Metis prepayment, like we're continuing to advance these, you know, and develop those opportunities. I feel if you ask me, you know, what kept me up the most at night, you know, two years ago, fuel and the responsiveness in the enrichment markets was going to be one of the biggest ones not because you know like we have fuel for our first plant that's great but what I was worrying about was what does it look like to get beyond that and I feel today more confident than I've ever felt about what's happening in the enrichment markets where you've had such a stagnant industry for so long now being spurred to life for so many reasons that you're seeing The incumbents and the legacy players stepping up and executing in exciting ways. You see new entrants coming forward. So I'm quite excited about what's happening there. But again, we continue to have a deep relationship with Centris that goes way back and we continue to advance that forward while also continuing to help be supportive of other players in the ecosystem because, you know, our view is it's a really important space that's going to be have a lot of growth and room ahead of it. We're facing a lot of demand growth there, not just for new advanced reactors, but for sustaining the existing plants because we're looking at an import ban and cliff hitting pretty hard next year. Add to that then also just growth and upgrades. It's an exciting time and space where you get to be supportive and help and mobilize that while also being at the front of the lines, so to speak.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Samir, it's really amazing to me that three years on in my time in Oklo, this time three years ago, we would have predominantly been talking about regulatory risk and fuel supply risk. And I think we're doing things to de-risk those every day, and it feels like we've got momentum on all fronts. And at the risk of getting in trouble, Jake now has a two-year-old and a newborn, so there are other things keeping him up at night.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Eric Stein with Craig Hallam. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Eric Stein
Analyst, Craig-Hallum
Hey, everyone. Thanks for sneaking me in here at the end. Just curious, you talked about kind of your optionality in PJM, you know, given that one situation. And it just makes me curious, you know, if you have other agreements and certainly you're pursuing other agreements like the META agreement, Do you anticipate that those agreements would be site specific? Would there be some flexibility if you ran into issues like you did in one area that someone might sign an agreement for just X amount of power rather than power at that specific location?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, I think what we're finding is the biggest interest is broadly in power. And I think what we've seen and what we've observed is a very interesting set of dynamics where you have a steady uptake and obviously like, well, basically a steady expansion of interest in where data centers are going to everywhere they can find power. And I think that's the trend line that we're tracking pretty heavily is, you know, they went from being obviously in the core corridor states to now looking at Sort of, hey, wherever there's power, that's where we're going to go. And I think that's going to play out then to the next stage, which is for new power development, not just from existing assets, but from new power development, going to go to where that is. and that's somewhat co-iterative because obviously you have some flexibility to find where that power is rather than if you're trying to go buy it from an existing plant that's obviously already built and operating but in this case now there's this dynamic where it's like hey do you if we're okay oklo where where can you put power um or it's it's you know it's sort of more like then we respond to hey these are the places we're going and this is the capacity we either do have or don't have in those areas and then they can be like okay yeah great these ones make sense or these ones don't and then we can use that to make sure we're focused on the areas we want to go which gives us a lot of power and flexibility again I think what we're seeing is you know traction obviously with the sites we have it's not abnormal for power development to go through you pick a number of sites because that's what we see the market moving us to to say we're gonna you know develop these forward Thank you so much for joining us. But it's quite, you know, it's a lot more supportive of that, broadly speaking, across the United States. And for example, one of the things that I think I'm particularly excited about is when you think about these nuclear lifecycle innovation campuses, if you, you know, as you think of what those look like, you start anchoring fuel production infrastructure. You have government policy supporting that in these areas. And then you're building power plants naturally nearby those. You start creating these campuses that have the power capacity. And we're finding some of the data center folks starting to be like, hey, OK, this is very interesting. And you think of the six states that are in the sort of final stages now. I think it's going to be an example of that kind of build it and they will come mindset that's going to start aggregating more interest that way. Couple that then as well with just a broader, just broadly supportive price environments too. It gives us a lot more flexibility, which is nice. And I'll just be clear that part of what helped us with driving the partnership with Meta was we saw the opportunity in Ohio and we went to it. And we didn't go there asking customers who wants this. We had enough knowledge of discussions with customers that that was a good place to go. But having that in the hopper, so to speak, really helped accelerate the interest from Meta and I think we see similar dynamics to be evolving in other places. So informed by customer interest but increasingly flexible to go where it makes sense to go and then look at others coming to us in cases. Now obviously in light of Thank you for joining us.
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
because then kind of the bring your own new powers is being taken care of as part of the development aspects to this so it's going to be interesting in those areas but our model is very well suited for that because of the flexibility we can have you know and the ability to and I think we'll see more of this as we build out more power campuses in places like Ohio that will be you know contracting through virtual PPAs and so it's great that that's a construct that already exists that we can leverage for
Jeffrey Campbell
Analyst, Seaport Research Partners
Okay, thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Souther with Truist Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, guys. Sorry about before. Is this better?
Craig Bealmear
Chief Financial Officer, Oklo
Much better. Sorry we had to bounce you.
Christopher Souther
Analyst, Truist Securities
No, no, it's all right. You're ready to bounce me there. Maybe just on the supply chain for INL versus the fleet, Jake, you kind of discussed that a little bit. You guys have talked about working with Kiewit to kind of formalize portfolio deployment. Can you talk about how the USFR capacity reservation, it seems to imply about two gigawatts by 2035. What are the other long lead items uh for you know that 2030 to 2035 that you need to reserve over the next year or two and then can you give us a sense like what percent of the supply chain for INL is finalized versus the percent of the you know planned fleet supply chain that you guys have already formalized here thanks yeah I mean I think um I mean right now for the Aurora Idaho plant I mean we're pretty you know
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Yeah, we're pretty much done. I think we're in a good spot with that. We're obviously building and integrating and all that's kind of along. And a lot of that is going to be carry over to what's next for where we go beyond it. I think there's a few cases where we're looking at expanded capacity that exceed what was out there or offer better opportunities, but wasn't quite there. And USFR is an example of that. But for example, like obviously the partnerships we formed with Siemens go long lasting and rooted into many plants at scale. And that's awesome. Fuel, we talked about Centris, other componentry, you know, our partnerships that we've been able to develop to not just support what we have here, but go beyond it. And then I think, you know, it's one of those things that we're looking at, you know, kind of some of the major lifts are obviously fuel. Vessel, pumps, certain things in the instrumentation control stack, steam turbine generators and the heat exchangers and steam generators. So I think as we look at what we've done with Aurora, I know a lot of that has direct carryover beyond and then we continue to develop you know for having also optionality for not optionality but flex sorry what's the plan sort of extra capacity for what's beyond that just given what we expect to see happening and where we see the markets moving and the customer demand that we keep seeing coming in so I think that's where we look at solving kind of at scale through those
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Drew Scott with Needham. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Drew Scott
Analyst, Needham
Hey, thanks for taking my question. I read in the 10Q that it says Aurora INL comes online 2028 to 2029. Should we read that as a modest push out to 2029? If so, I guess why?
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
Oh, I think, yeah. So, I mean, Aurora, as we look at Aurora, Idaho's kind of timing for full commissioning and startup, one of the things we've learned from grows is the variables that come into play to manage sort of, you know, things that are going to pop and kind of come up to mitigate through and the potentiality for, you know, equipment recalibration and testing and putting back in. and as we look at kind of the schedules and the stack of when everything comes and how all that looks those are pretty important variables to make sure we kind of have the right buffer and bandwidth to support and that's in a direct application of things you learn from the Grubbs experience and we're already tying some of those in electrical noise management is a huge thing in nuclear plants it's one of those things that's kind of like everyone kind of knows it and then you kind of for you don't forget it but each site is so different for so many reasons based on what the building is and where steel is what structures you use and where you do the grounding and soil and the atmospherics and the time of year when you're doing it there's so many variables and so having that extra capacity that extra flexibility it's critically important and you think about why when you're detecting single neutrons which is literally what you're able to do more or less right you're detecting single nuclear reactions as part of some of these uh Some of these neutron monitoring systems, how that works is you have this charge applied in a detector and it detects the energy basically imparted from a nuclear reaction. Sometimes it's a fission event depending on the detector technology, but sometimes they use small amounts of uranium in there that fission when the neutron hits and that imparts energy and it deflects that field and you measure that perturbation. That's a really small number and so you have to have really strong noise insulation and isolation. Thank you for joining us. for what the front and finals are for things we're obviously bringing in and what we're stacking up to have everything installed by. But I think that's one of the longest leads is really tied over to the variables around the instrumentation side and the full plant integration and commissioning and startup based on what we saw and learned from growth. So, you know, we're doing some things that can pull some of that schedule with certainty over to the left. We've seen some wins there, but based on what we know and what we've learned, which is why we do these things, that's kind of how we see the buffer going with stacking the time for all the parts coming in installing and then doing everything you need to do to make sure everything's commissioned and run up ideally hopefully you know we've we're able to get in front of some of those things and we can maybe pull even more to the left but at the end of the day want to have that buffer in there because time is going to take time to do all this stuff I know that sounds a really funny thing to say but This is why we did Groves 1 is to allow us to understand these things. Now we try to get in front of it. Now we try to manage what we can there. But some of this stuff can only really be done when you fully assembled and built everything. There's some things you can do to kick it down and knock it down a little before, but that's stuff you got to do. And that's one example. There's others too, but that's kind of a prevailing example. Sorry, I'll just add a little more. I think one thing that's important about that is given the nature of the system and its ability to produce radiation services, be important for characterizing and developing out next generation fuels and materials for us, for others, given its capabilities for isotopes, some of the calibrations we want to do and need to do to enable those benefits and those revenues can be quite attractive in some ways, not to mention just enduring kind of national asset value. are important to get that stuff buttoned up. kind of above and beyond so that we're really well positioned to take advantage of the incredible performance that this system will have. So that's part of where also that comes to bear is making sure we do it in those ways and not just the lens towards kind of the, you know, from going to power generation, but also supporting the other aspects and being well positioned with that there and also being a training platform that informs everything we go forward on, right? Because we're doing things in this plant to teach us how to do it better or more efficiently in the future ones. So having that capacity is pretty important.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Jake Dewitt for closing remarks.
Jacob DeWitte
Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer, Oklo
All right. Well, thank you all for joining us today. Back in August, we were able to turn online The fastest privately sided and fully privately built reactor in history, as far as we know and can tell from all the work we've done to study prior examples. And that's a pretty exciting achievement to be the very first one. Similarly with Aurora, Idaho, we're making incredible progress at incredible pace. Which I think where we're on trajectory to is similarly on pace to set a world record for fastest privately built fast reactor And that's pretty dang cool We're learning a lot, obviously we're applying it into it We are executing, we're executing meaningfully at scale That site is abuzz with activity We had a tour recently with some folks and some partners who came out And when we looked at it, they were shell shocked. And these are folks used to seeing large scale infrastructure development and projects from power to semiconductors to manufacturing equipment, I mean, all sorts of things. And they were rather excited to see the activity and the pace of progress and just the commitment that the team has to being successful in getting this done. It also puts us in unique territory where we have this unique vector of control to actually complete the project. Thank you so much for joining us. about how that's positioning us for that part of the business. But we also continue to advance other very important things that we're doing. We can't turn reactors on without fuel. This is something that we discovered and learned very early on. Well, not that fact, but that we needed to do that ourselves to solve that issue and control our destiny on that. And hence, setting up a leading fuel fabrication capability to make fuel for our reactor, but also develop the capability and capacity to make fuel for others. There are other reactors that use the same or very similar types of fuel we use so we can make fuel for them. but also have the infrastructure, the overhead, just the floor space in a fuel fabrication facility that can then be either rented out, leased out, or used to support other fuel forms and types that we see quite a bit of growing interest and demand in, which are being used today but are not being produced or supplied adequately. So we're pretty excited about how that opens the door, not just to provide critical capabilities we need, but also capabilities others need. And that opens the door for additional revenues and other partnerships. and then on top of that we have the ability on recycling to make not just transuranic fuel forms that we can use but also feedstock for others and in light of the current fuel markets and the dynamics at hand just last week we saw a clear endorsement from a variety of companies pursuing this and the government investing in and supporting capabilities to look at various uses of transuranic bearing material which we can produce not just for our use in our own reactors but for feedstock for others so Very exciting stuff progressing all along the fronts there. And it puts us in a great spot in the fuel business where we are. And then, of course, on the isotope side, while we continue to learn from the Grows One experience and apply that forward. Thank you for joining us. the capabilities of computational biology and AI to then the capability of having diverse and flexibly produced isotopes you can open entirely new frontiers for drug discovery and development which we can be anchored into which is an incredibly exciting thing for the business both just from a human impact side but also from an economic side and perspective and I think at the whole in the highest level you know what we see happening is a generalized shift into recognizing that Thank you so much for joining us. because we're tying in the success ourselves into aspects of the success for nuclear everywhere. And we do that so that we guarantee we can build what we need to build and then get the associated benefits of opening that ecosystem up. So it's an exciting time for where things stand and appreciate folks joining us. Craig said it earlier, so I decided I'd save it till here. I did welcome our second child who's approaching four weeks old not getting as much sleep as as as I was before not losing sleep though to fuel losing sleep more to the baby but on the other hand having more time to think about how we continue to solve these these things and kind of scale into these opportunities as we see and have the ability to look around corners and get in front of those as much as we can but again I could not be more excited about seeing nuclear coming to meet the opportunities in the chat but rather seeing an entire ecosystem and broad capital mobilize and actual innovation coming in and challenging the cost paradigms and bringing these things forward. We talked about the cost of grows one. When I grew up in the nuclear industry, when I was younger, when I was looking at isotope reactors and I was hearing presentations, the lowest numbers I saw and people talk about were three, 400, $500 million. And that was pre-inflation 15 years ago. And we were able to do what we did for around 75 all in. That's a pretty impressive achievement and an indicator for how we see and how nuclear can be significantly disrupted. And I just think that's one of the most exciting things in front of Oakley today. So thank you for the time and look forward to talking to you the next time.
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