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Pegasystems Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator
Conference Operator
Over to Peter Welburn, Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Peter Welburn
Vice President of Corporate Development and Investor Relations
Thank you, Ellen. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to PEG Systems Q3 2026 earnings call. Before we begin, I'd like to read our safe harbor statement. Certain statements made during this call and the accompanying materials may be construed as forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Words such as expects, anticipates, intends, plans, believes, will, could, should estimates may forecast and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements. These statements speak only as of the date the statement was made and are based on current expectations and assumptions. Because these statements relate to future events, they are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations for fiscal year 2026 and beyond. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially are described in the company's press release announcing our Q3 2026 results and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2025, as well as other recent SEC filings. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements. Except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect subsequent events or circumstances. In addition, non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for financial measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. Constant currency measures are calculated by applying the September 30, 2025 foreign exchange rates to all periods presented. Reconciliations of GAAP to non-GAAP measures can be found in our earnings press release. With that, I'll turn the call over to Alan Trefler, founder and CEO of Pega Systems.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Peter, and thank you to everyone joining us today. Before Ken covers our results, I want to just touch on the AI market context and why it's a major long-term opportunity for Pega. Our technology is differentiated and very relevant to the times we're in. However, candidly, our execution this year has not kept up. We are making real changes to better capture the opportunity and Ken will be providing more detail in a moment. I would say the market status is confusion and a search for value. Enterprise leaders are facing tsunamis of AI hype. This is the most chaotic and confused technology market I've seen in my career. It makes the internet bubble of 2000 look like it unfolded in slow motion. There is real promise in AI and occasionally real delusion. This quarter, Salesforce announced CloudForce, essentially tying its future to Anthropic, a company that has said publicly it is going after all of Salesforce's TAM, their targeted addressable market. And then in September, Anthropic called for a pause in AI development. And leaders at OpenAI and other frontier labs chimed in to support the idea. But in the month since, Anthropic has released three major cloud model changes. OpenAI has also released three major GPT models. Google has released a new Gemini model. That's not counting the new models from Mistral, Quan, DeepSeq, or model labs that are using things internally they haven't released yet. So I guess this is what a pause looks like these days. No wonder everyone is confused. The leaders I spoke to at businesses have actually stopped chasing the latest model. They want AI connected to business operations in ways that deliver measurable value while maintaining governance and controlling costs. The market is full of ingredients and enterprises need a recipe. That's what Pega delivers. And the changes that Ken will talk about are focused on getting that recipe directly to the customers and senior leaders who need it. Now, much of the AI industry is selling models and tokens. Pega is offering something different, a structure for AI that delivers predictable outcomes and predictable costs, built on how enterprises really operate. Our architecture harnesses the power of LLMs and our own statistical AI to transform how enterprises design, build, and run the workflows and decisions that power their businesses. Now models are an important agreement, but the recipe for AI demands structure you can put around the model to provide operational context that tells it what to do. Our workflows wrap AI in a control and governance structure that feeds exactly the knowledge and context it needs at the right time. As Forrest has put it in his very recent report on enterprise AI platforms, workflows, not insights, are the value driver for agentic AI. We apply that structure at every stage of AI transformation. At design, we help clients reimagine their workflows and decisions for an AI world. We build to help create and maintain the applications in a way that's understandable and accessible. And we run them to create agentic workflows that behave predictably at scale. So leaders I speak to They want to be designed the way they work. And Blueprint harnesses AI to solve a problem that no one else has, giving business and IT teams a way to reimagine their operating model together at AI speed. It takes the raw power of generative AI and gives it a structure built on decades of Pegas workflow expertise and industry best practices. Blueprint combines the raw power of models like Claw, GPT, and Gemini with the decades of our knowledge from the work we've done with leaders in various industries. It helps establish the rules, workflows, policies, and operating model upfront before an application goes into production. The result is a repeatable recipe for how businesses should run, translated directly into working systems. And here is what much of the AI play misses, that 95% plus of work a business does each day repeats. Processes themselves will be transformed by AI, but once you figure out how to process a dispute or best onboard a new customer, you want to do it the same way at scale. Letting AI reasoning run roughshod over that repeatable work is risky and expensive. Blueprint uses AI to capture those repeatable processes. We designed them to be far more efficient and then run them consistently at massive scale without a massive token bill. Not only is this far more cost effective, it is exactly the right approach for AI governance. By creating the workflows you plug directly into the cloud or GPT or AI tool of your choice with MCP connectors, You're building workflows that tell agents exactly what they're allowed to do, what data they can access, and what rules they must follow. We believe the right way to govern AI is to design it into the processes from the start. Now, this is exactly what Blueprint does and the packet technology does. And while others are selling control towers or kill switches to manage problems after they happen, we consider that madness. It's addressing the problem too late and in the wrong place. Our clients can't afford to rely on a kill switch. With our approach, they never need one. So the key here is structure. Now, by helping clients finish design their recipes in days and load Blueprint into Infinity to build the application, they are able to be able to run with agents like Copilot, Cloud, and Codex. We also let clients bring their own model. If for some reason they have something, either an activity or they have a preference. And we have added into our development environment more than 50 agent skills. So the developer's environment and the Pega environment operate in a collaborative and comprehensive fashion. So developers can get the speed of agentic development, but we provide the structure that makes it understandable, Reusable and Scalable. Now, we understand that one of the pitches AI companies are making is, you know, code it yourself. And the reality, we've competed against code it yourself for decades. And of course, AI coding tools are powerful. We use them ourselves. And we've built them into the AI assistance in Infinity Studio. But this doesn't change the underlying question. AI agents generate lots and lots of code, millions of lines of code than we've ever seen before. And much of that code becomes very hard to understand and even harder to change six or 12 months later. That is at the heart of the Pega difference. In Pega, the logic stays visual and transparent, not buried in code so dense that only agents can read it. Business and IT users can look at the workflows, the rules, and the configuration in Pega and see exactly what their application does. This is what it means to build for change. Now, at runtime, Pega applications run agentic workflows that orchestrate agents with control and governance. In Infinity, any agent, a customer service chatbot, an employee assistant, even when outside of Pega, can discover and run Pega workflows and decisions. They don't need to re-reason through every step. Blueprint has already done that for them at design time. And we've put the human in the loop, blessing the design, as opposed to sticking them in every time a transaction runs. Pega agentic workflows call for agents to perform specific tasks, like reading a document or researching a case or client history. And the workflow sets the task constraints So each agent is controlled in what it can do and what it can see. This small focused agent approach obviates hallucination risk and uses far fewer tokens. That's how we can offer a fixed case price with no token charge. And I'm getting a lot of enthusiasm from clients as to this approach. Now, at PegaWorld, I compared this approach to a chef using a pet and many more. At runtime, the system executes those recipes as predictable workflows, calling agents only at the steps where they add value. Deterministic work stays. By the way, this is also hundreds, maybe thousands of times more efficient than running a continuous reasoning session on graphical processing units. Clients reimagine the process and then run a successful recipe thousands or millions of times. Design once, reuse many. AI gets the workflow right at design time and is invoked discreetly at runtime. with structure and governance building. I think the industry is recognizing our differentiated approach. Just in the last several weeks, Forrester was named a leader in the Forrester wave. Pega was named the leader of the Forrester wave for AI platforms, sitting next to companies like Amazon and Google. As I mentioned in that report, they wrote that workflows, not insights, are the value driver We strongly agree. And last month, Gartner again named Pega a leader in the magic quadrant for business orchestration and automation technologies, or what they call BOTE. I think you're going to hear that term a lot going forward because it really reflects the power that AI needs to bring to organizations. Gartner built this category on the idea that the combination of process orchestration Workflow orchestration and energetic AI create the foundation for predictable enterprise AI outcomes. And in terms of these two recognitions, Pega was the only company named as a leader in both. You can find both reports on pega.com. But the most important recognition is what we get from helping clients to maximize the value of their current AI investments and their goals. Together with our partners, we're delivering predictable outcomes that candidly just weren't possible before, all with predictable costs. At a large government agency, Pega workflow turns unstructured information into structured work, automatically processing documents and surfacing only the exceptions that require human judgment, helping people work more effectively while maintaining enterprise-grade governance and control. At a major U.S. bank, Pega's government workflows and specialized AI agents has cut complaint resolution times from 10 days to 10 minutes. In a customer critical and highly regulated process, Pega agentic workflows orchestrate our agents and third party agents to intake documents, classify requests, summarize histories, perform research, and determine next best action recommendation. Employees have embraced this new workflow right away. They report higher productivity and enthusiasm for capabilities that give them more time for judgment and customer outcomes rather than administrative. So these results confirm to us that enterprises want AI and that having AI that delivers predictable outcomes and predictable costs with governance built in is absolutely the right way to go. And you know, it's interesting because the market is chaotic and there's more hype, more tokens, more models. being discussed and feared by organizations. But with Pega Blueprint, with Pega Infinity, we can deliver outcomes, and we think that's incredibly important. I've also learned something from the dozens of successful clients I've spoken to in the last quarter. We have the right technology, but in a market this noisy and fast, we need to do a better job at directly helping our clients find clarity and keep up Success happens when we have deep executive and technical engagement, a clear message that cuts through the market values, and technical experts on the ground. So while the quarter showed improvement from the first half, we don't think the growth of the quarter anywhere comes close to reflecting the opportunity in front of us, and we take responsibility for that. Buying decisions have become more complex, and we can be more consistent in helping clients We're acting on what we learned. We've moved accountability closer to clients with a regional go-to-market model. We've made steps to unify our message, and we are creating a dedicated team to accelerate adoption of the latest AI capabilities, bringing operations teams together to simplify and improve how we plan and operate. These are execution changes, not a change in strategy. We remain focused on helping enterprises apply AI to workflows and decisions, and helping I'll hand it over to Ken to walk through the quarter's results and details of these operational changes.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Alan. While our annual contract value growth through the first three quarters of 2026 did not reflect the opportunity we see in the market, we're encouraged by the engagement we're seeing with our clients and prospects. Clients are increasingly looking to transform how work gets done through AI, automation, and intelligent workflows, and companies We continue to see growing interest in blueprint, agentic workflows, and automation initiatives that help organizations achieve predictable outcomes at predictable costs. While buying patterns have not fully normalized, we saw improved visibility and more consistent progression of opportunities through the third quarter. Our ACV ad was the strongest of the year, representing a step forward. More importantly, the underlying market opportunity remains significant. Our focus is on improving how we execute against that opportunity. The go-to-market changes I'll discuss shortly are designed to strengthen accountability, increase speed, and help us build on the progress we saw in the quarter. Looking back, our assessment is that the primary constraints have been execution, longer sales cycles, and customer deployment challenges rather than broad-based deterioration in market demand. Nothing we've seen in Q3 changes that view, but the underlying opportunity remains significant. As we look ahead, we're applying the lessons we've learned so far this year to better capitalize on the demand we're seeing in the market. We've already begun implementing a series of changes designed to increase accountability, improve speed of execution, and accelerate growth. First, in today's market environment, clients are best served when commercial leadership and day-to-day execution authority sit closer to the market, within consistent company-wide pricing, contracting, and financial controls. Additionally, although the global demand has held up in spite of some of the European and Middle East conflicts, clients increasingly demand data sovereignty and governance. They want their systems, their data, their processes to be closer to their operations. They increasingly demand local control and support for their solutions. This fits perfectly into our PegaCloud solution, but also with the option for cloud choice. As a result of all this, we're evolving our go-to-market leadership and coverage model. This change will bring leaders, resources, and expertise closer to in-region clients, enabling faster decisions, stronger engagement, and greater ownership of outcomes. It also returns us to an operating model where the senior leaders have more commercial-driven authority and more direct connection to our clients. As buying decisions increasingly move higher within client organizations, having our senior leaders in region will help us engage more effectively and accelerate execution. We've seen this trend in the past, and we have successfully executed under this operating model. Second, we're creating a more unified marketing organization. To tell one clear and differentiated Pega story, we're bringing all marketing-related teams together under a single leader. In a market crowded with competing AI narratives, this structure will sharpen our positioning, strengthen execution across channels, and help us reach executive decision makers more consistently. Enterprises are looking for clarity, confidence, and a trusted path forward. A unified marketing organization will improve our visibility and communicate more effectively how Pega helps clients succeed in the AI era. We're rallying a new organization focused on accelerating adoption of Pega's AI capabilities while transforming our products to make it more dramatically easier for clients to access our latest innovation and stay current with Pega. The pace of innovation in AI is unprecedented, and the ability to successfully adopt and scale these capabilities is becoming the key differentiator between clients that experiment with AI and those who realize measurable business value from it. This new organization will bring together engineering, early adopter programs, and delivery excellence to quickly identify adoption barriers and turn those insights into improvements. It will also include a team of forward-deployed engineers, known as our Lighthouse Team, who will work directly with clients to accelerate successful deployments and help them realize value faster. By bringing product teams closer to our clients, we can capture real-world best practices Thank you for joining us. Fourth, we're centralizing go-to-market and consulting operations under the finance organization, having a single leader to simplify planning, resource allocation, and performance management across the company. Commercial and delivery leaders will remain accountable for strategy and client outcomes, while the unified operations team drives greater consistency, scalability, and execution discipline. Over time, we expect these and other changes to contribute to margin improvement and increased operating leverage. Taken together, these four actions are designed to improve execution in the near term while positioning Pega to deliver long-term, durable ACV and cash flow growth to our shareholders. During the first quarter of 2027, we expect our headcount will be approximately 5,000 employees, down a few hundred from where we sit today, as we streamline the organization and improve execution. Moving to our financial results. Annual contract value, or ACV, grew 7% year-over-year in constant currency to $1.66 billion. In Q3, we added $32 million in net new ACV in constant currency, our strongest quarterly performance of the year, and a step forward in rebuilding growth momentum. PegaCloud continued to drive that performance. PegaCloud ACV grew 20% year-over-year and represented 59% of our total ACVs. demonstrating the continued strength of our cloud business. Total backlog now stands at over $2 billion with current backlog at just around $1 billion. Backlog reflects existing non-cancellable contracts expected to be recognized as revenue in future periods. Two factors shape the quarter. First, we enter Q3 with a larger and more diversified pipeline with strength across both new logos and workflow expansion within our existing install base. Second, purchasing behavior continues to evolve. We did see some movement to more normal buying patterns in the third quarter. However, enterprise clients, especially in the financial services sector, are applying greater scrutiny to large technology investments, particularly around business case validation, AI strategy, and implementation timing. Decision processes now involve more stakeholders and additional approval steps than we've seen in recent years. Decisions continue to go to senior leaders in the organization, and that's the importance of our go-to-market change is to connect our teams with the decision makers. Separately, organizational changes and workforce reductions within several client accounts can extend timelines further. Let me be clear about what we're not seeing. Win rates are remaining generally consistent with prior periods, and we're not seeing a meaningful shift in competitive dynamics. The constraint is how long it takes for clients to reach a decision, not whether we win when they do reach that decision. We are addressing that directly by driving prospecting activity, leveraging Blueprint, and increasing executive-level engagement to compress sales cycles, and also to build incremental pipeline. Below the headline numbers, several leading indicators improved. Pipeline volume strengthened during the quarter, Blueprint engagement continues to expand, and more opportunities Turn to free cash flow. We generated $290 million of free cash flow in the first three quarters of 2026. There's two factors that impacted that result. First, free cash flow included an unusual level of cash expenditures that we do not expect to occur at the same level in normal operations. We've included those expenditures in our free cash flow, and we're providing supplemental detail to investors so they can evaluate the nature and the timing of those. Second, ACV growth was lower than our original plan. Slower net new ACV translates into lower billings, lower collections, and lower free cash flow than we had modeled. As a reminder, our billings are seasonally weighted toward the fourth quarter. Thank you for joining us today. We've leaned higher into buybacks in 2026, more than in a prior year, and we did so deliberately. In the first nine months of 2026, we repurchased just under 11 million shares for around 430 million in the open market under prior board authorizations. Total common shares were reduced by 6.8 million shares in the first nine months. At current levels, repurchasing our shares can be an attractive use of excess capital after funding our organic growth priorities. Buybacks are accretive to earnings, offset dilution from stock-based compensation, and compound value when executed at attractive valuations. We will continue to compare repurchases with other uses of capital and act selectively and strategically around our buyback program. The third element of our capital allocation strategy is to pay a consistent and increasing dividend. We view the dividend as a long-term commitment and we intend to grow it over time. Fourth, we maintain balance sheet strength and flexibility. We remain debt free and we will evaluate any future use of debt against our strategic priorities. This is the third quarter with approximately $300 million in cash and marketable securities. Looking ahead, we will continue to return capital to shareholders opportunistically while preserving strategic flexibility. We're disciplined buyers, not automatic ones. Following our July earnings call, many of you asked for some additional perspective on how we're thinking about the remainder of the year. As a reminder, we provide annual guidance at the beginning of the year and do not typically update our outlook intra-year, nor do we guide quarterly. Given the many calls for more color, we've decided to share a few more thoughts on ACB and free cash flow as it's late in the 2026 cycle. On ACB, we added $52 million of net new ACB and constant currency through the first three quarters of the year. We expect we will deliver an acceleration of growth in Q4, but we don't believe that we'll achieve our full plan for the second half. On free cash flow, given the unusual level of cash expenditures incurred this year, we also believe it's useful to consider supplemental cash information to determine the cash generating capability of our business. Please see our earnings release for more detail on these supplemental items. We're not changing our long-term ambition. We continue to target $700 million or more of free cash flow in 2028. Although ACV growth has slowed this year, the underlying economics of our business remain intact. That new ACV creates future billings growth, and those billings ultimately convert into increased cash flow. Achieving our 2028 target will require stronger ACV growth and continued cost discipline. We are aligning our cost structure with our growth trajectory and take the appropriate actions to improve our operations, positioning the business to ensure for $700 million or more in 2028. Stepping back, organizations worldwide are rethinking how work gets done in an AI-driven economy. That shift plays directly to capabilities we have spent years building, workflows and decisioning that apply AI to mission-critical business operations with governance, predictability, and scale enterprises required. While execution remains our top priority for the balance of Q4 and beyond, Our long-term conviction has only strengthened. We remain confident in our market opportunity, confident in our ability to deliver substantial and growing free cash flow, and confident in our disciplined approach to balancing growth and profitability to sustain a strong Rule 40 performance and create significant long-term value for shareholders. And with that, operator, please open the line for questions.
Operator
Conference Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand and to withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question for optimum sound quality and if muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Remo Lenz-Chao with Barclays. Your line is open, please go ahead.
Remo Lenz-Chao
Analyst at Barclays
Perfect, thank you. One, Ken, it was really interesting to hear your remarks on kind of streamlining the organization or just changing the go-to-market. Is that something you're doing to do... Sorry, I'm down under the weather a little bit. Is this something that you do like mid-year now or is this kind of the plan for the new financial year? Can you speak to that please?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, we're in the process. Some of those changes we've already made, and some of them are coming in the future weeks. But we want to prepare ourselves so that we start 27 with as many of the improvements as we can get done. But some of them will go into the first quarter of 27. But this is something we're doing in the very near term. But the biggest changes have already happened.
Remo Lenz-Chao
Analyst at Barclays
Okay, perfect. Okay. And then, obviously, you've talked before that Q4 has a much better renewal pool. That should probably help you as well. What's the situation if you think about next year as well, if you think about them, you know, do better results potentially coming out next year? Like, I don't know if you can comment or in probably not quantitatively, but qualitatively, like what's this? What's the true progression from here? Thank you.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, so I'll make one comment about 2027. But naturally, we're in our planning process, and things that happen in Q4 of 26 will obviously impact 27. So there's still a lot of things that are still in works. But I would say we would expect to grow from where we are now in Q3 and Q4 and into 2027. And just based on the distribution of ACV growth in 26, Based on my disability, I wouldn't anticipate it being as back-end loaded at this early stage as what 26 looks like it is going to play out to be.
Remo Lenz-Chao
Analyst at Barclays
Okay, perfect. That's very helpful. Thank you.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you.
Operator
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Steve Enders with Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Steve Enders
Analyst at Citi
Okay, great. Thanks for taking the questions this morning. Maybe just to start, It's kind of good to kind of get your perspective on how long you think that the changes you're making will kind of take to play out and drive the better execution. And it's ultimately what that means for sales and new ACV moving forward. And I guess also would like to clarify the comment you made about ECV and not achieving the second half plan that you were expecting. Can you just maybe get a little bit more clarity on, I guess, what exactly that means?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Sure, Steve. So, we're moving fast on the changes and many of these changes are already in work. Some of them, as Alan mentioned a second ago, have already been executed. So, I don't believe this is going to be a long, drawn-out changes. Now, the second part of that question is, when Thank you for joining us. up from here. But, you know, I don't see a path where our ACV growth would be, you know, above 10% for the 2026 year. So I would say we're seeing our ACV growth be somewhere between where we are now and 10%. Okay.
Steve Enders
Analyst at Citi
All right. Very clear. That's helpful there. And then maybe just on the technology side and, you know, We keep hearing about things like decisioning models and things like JEV that, you know, out there on the market. And we keep getting the question from investors about, you know, maybe what that means for Pega and, you know, I guess your decisioning capabilities. And if you viewed that as a, I guess it would kind of be good to get your perspective on how you're seeing that maybe competitively or what that means from Pega adoption moving forward with some of these decisioning models starting to come out.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Sure, we, as you would expect, pay close attention to all of this. And we actually think things like JEV may be things we find opportunities to use in our product line. But at its core, the big deal about Pega is that we make the way that business runs processes and makes decisions transparent. And at the end of the day, the folks who are Candidly, massive amounts of code are not very transparent. Or, hey, let's just try to program prompts that the AI will figure out how to do things. That's candidly the exact opposite of transparent. I was talking with a customer who complained to me that he had a thousand lines of prompt that they were trying to edit to figure out how to get small behavior changes. That's exactly the sort of thing that happens. So these new models, The interesting thing is the AI models that are out there and evolving, which, by the way, we can harness. I mean, part of what we do is we want to use the frontier and other models. They don't fix the core lack of transparency and lack of governance that you have by doing this stuff at runtime instead of design time.
Steve Enders
Analyst at Citi
Okay, perfect. All right. Well, appreciate your thoughts and thanks for taking the questions.
Operator
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Devanau with KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Devanau
Analyst at KeyBank Capital Markets
Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just one look at where we asked a little bit about kind of the pipeline maturity as we look at fourth quarter year, you know, how much of that pipe is in late stage and how much of the expected growth is kind of supported by new logos, which is kind of an area you've kind of seen strong traction come into the second half and just more color there.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Sorry, you were a little bit rough to hear there. Really, just the question is pipeline and new logos?
Blair Abernethy
Analyst at Rosenblatt
Yeah, yeah.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Okay, sorry, sorry, Gavin. I couldn't quite hear you there. So, yeah, so we've had... There's a... there's a pro and a con around when you sell the new logos right the good thing is we're seeing a lot of great activity a lot of good pipeline build it's very very exciting to see like clients people are prospects that don't really know much about Pega being very intrigued by our value proposition in such a short period of time and the teams are working really hard to engage that's the positive you know that maybe the more cautious part of this is It's hard to predict close rates and progression rates with new logos because we don't really have a history of it. We're kind of in a game where we've been closing some new logos, but learning from offers, pricing, value positioning, targeting, all those things. I would say we're definitely getting growth from new logos. We're still in that maybe learning a little bit about what works and maybe what we need to double down on or change.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
But in terms of the maturity, I would tell you that the stage of our opportunities as we enter Q4 and think about next year is meaningfully more mature than it was at any other time this year. So the pipeline, I would say, is looking very promising, and we're really putting a lot of focus, particularly with some of these new changes, getting them to offer faster.
Devanau
Analyst at KeyBank Capital Markets
Understood. Thanks for the details there. And then just a quick follow up, maybe just give an update on how your public sector business has performed in third quarter, just given that's usually a pretty big quarter for that end market. I don't know if you've seen any sort of delays in that sector with the upcoming election here in the US. Thank you.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
What I would say is the federal buying cycle has been, I would say, less predictable than what we've seen in past years because of a lot of the changes in how they procure, the system integrator changes that moved everything, moved a lot of buying onto GSA schedules. So we don't expect that to get but also buying activity is happening and it's not like the government is not moving forward. It's just that it is less predictable. So the Q4 quarter is not a particularly massive quarter. Our U.S. government business is pretty steady across the quarters. So it's not that there's anything unique in terms of size in Q4 around the public sector. But it definitely is a less got it got it thank you thanks for taking my questions your next question comes from the line of Patrick Walravens with Citizens your line is open please go ahead oh great thank you um
Patrick Walravens
Analyst at Citizens
I mean, Alan, given the news yesterday of Salesforce acquiring Braze and, you know, paying a multiple is pretty much twice where you guys are trading. I'd just love to hear your thoughts on what this means for the industry and what it means for you.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Well, you know, we really, I can't actually think of a time when we've ever competed against Braze. So I don't think from a product acquisition point of view, it's very meaningful to us I think when I look at this industry, I look at an industry that's really confused, and I think companies are doing whatever they can to try to generate revenue and attention and stand out. It feels to me like buying craze was an expensive way to do it, but I don't think it affects our competitive dynamics.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
One thing I would say, Pat, that is not really a brazed comment, but something we've seen. I do think you've seen M&A activity around technology companies start to spin up a little bit in the last few months, and I do think that highlights what I believe to be is the significant value that maybe was questioned maybe on software. And I definitely think you're seeing the Schneider Electric's purchase of PTC, for example. I think there's a lot of value attributed to the knowledge base that software has, the engagement we have with users, and also the data that we actually have within our system. So I definitely think that there is a little bit of that angle, and Braze might be in that bucket. So that's just something that we've been watching, not particularly because we're a buyer or seller, more just to learn what's happening in the software space.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
I think your point, this does sort of put the question to the dying saspocalypse commentary, which we're seeing customers recognize that there is software in the future, and obviously Salesforce does too.
Patrick Walravens
Analyst at Citizens
Yeah, and investors too. I mean, if you look at my universe as a whole, four months ago, the median stock was down like 33%, the median, Alan, and now the median is up five year to date. So the follow-up question would just be, I mean, would you guys be open to being acquired? And, you know, the flip side of that, what would you want to acquire, if anything?
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Well, I think... One hell of an earnings call, wouldn't it?
Patrick Walravens
Analyst at Citizens
It really would, yeah.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
So we're going to have to respect that.
Patrick Walravens
Analyst at Citizens
You can do the what would you like to call it. You can do what's on your radar list, right? Or how you think about it.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Look, we look at companies routinely, and we have purchase, typically technology purchase, to the overall model. We're feeling pretty darn good about the shape of our technical products right now. We really think that we're onto something. We just have to convince more of the market that we're onto it, and that's what our mission is going to be. So we don't have an active, specific shopping list, but Peter here is constantly talking to firms, as you know. Thank you very much.
Operator
Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Blair Abernethy with Rosenblatt. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Blair Abernethy
Analyst at Rosenblatt
Thank you. Just a couple of things for me. I wonder if any early signs of feedback from Infinity Studio with Blueprint capabilities added in. Are you seeing anything there?
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, we're seeing customers respond with enthusiasm to it. It's still young, is the reality of it. But customers like that this actually does a much better job of taking existing customers and giving them a path to engage with our AI. And with hindsight, I wish we had done it sooner.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
One thing we have seen, Blair, is that we've seen at this point in time when we released Pega 25, we have more than twice as many clients that have moved to Infinity 26 as at this point in time when we released 25. So we are seeing a much more aggressive clients want it. So that's something we are seeing.
Blair Abernethy
Analyst at Rosenblatt
Okay, great. And Ken, just on... Just on the environment, are you seeing any changes in the pricing environment this year and anything in terms of what you're seeing with the contract renewals or term lengths just given the changes in the pipeline execution?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
No, term lengths, no. I think that always bounces around, but I haven't seen anything like that. and many more. Thank you for joining us. But I think some of that does play into just enterprise buying pressures. So there's just some of that out there.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
And what you said about out of control, let's face it, a whole lot of companies got caught overspending their budgets in the second and third quarters. I think that's normalizing and candidly our message about predictable costs. is a great way for clients to get their use of AI back in control.
Blair Abernethy
Analyst at Rosenblatt
Great. Thanks, guys.
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Your next question comes from the line of Patrick McIlwee with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Patrick McIlwee
Analyst at William Blair
Hi, team. Thanks for the questions. So first one on free cash flow, despite the weaker ACV growth and cash generation this quarter, you're maintaining the fiscal 28 free cash flow target. I know there were some unusual expenditures within that this quarter, but as we think about some of the strategic tweaks you're making, like ramping FTEs and then some rockier trends in growth, Ken, can you just talk about some of the expectations underlying that target at this point and maybe how much the path to that has changed over the last few months?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
So the main what I would consider to be non-recurring or non-operational spend that we've had in our cash flow this year and some of it will be in to next year is related to the settling of a number of our legal matters. So I would say that's a big component of it. We will also have some restructuring charges that will probably get firmed up between now and the beginning of the first quarter of 27. I would consider those to be kind of the non-recurring type items that we would add back to kind of show you what more operating cash flow would be. So I would see a path of where that adjusted free cash flow would be above 600 next year and then on to a 700 path in 2021. That's kind of what we see. This year, the number will be lower, naturally, because we haven't made some of those structural changes to our cost structure, and we've got some of these kind of unusual one-time things related to some of the legal matters, some of them being settled. I think that's kind of – so this year will be lower cash flow with some higher amount of ad vacs. Next year, we'll have a smaller amount of add-backs and increased cash flow from higher ACV and some of the cost changes, and then we'll be on track to go to that 700 number in 28. Hopefully, that's helpful.
Patrick McIlwee
Analyst at William Blair
Okay, yeah, helpful. Thanks, Ken. And following up, so regarding the customer deployment challenges and the constraints on growth and, you know, the FDE team, you're not ramping to address that. My question is, what specifically do you feel is preventing customers from moving some of these projects into production today? Are those mostly implementation and or integration challenges, or do you feel at all that there are some aspects of the core product that could need to become easier to deploy and ultimately maintain?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
I don't think PEG is alone in this challenge. Deploying things in an AI world is a different mindset of actually how you instrument and deploy and get value. And I think that just like many of the clients that are deploying AI have spent a tremendous amount of money trying to bring in consultants and system integrators to try to help them figure out where AI can add value, some of that is adopting AI in a new paradigm around how you develop Workflow and Automation Solutions on Pega as well. So I think some of that is just us getting our engineering teams and our professional service teams and our solution consultants to really be like with the client and actually helping them drive that value. So that's the big change as opposed to letting clients do it more on their own, which is traditionally how software has been deployed.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
And look, I think historically we were pretty, and this goes back, Our customers and we were pretty slow at times to deploy the latest tickets. The reality is we actually have had customers who have told us they never want to be on the most recent release. They want to be on N-1 or in one case have a customer who used to want to be on N-2. So getting things into the hands of customers quick is not something that had been part of the way we operate historically. Now, we're in a much better position to do it with the combination of Pega Cloud and some of the changes we're making. But, you know, it is a shift. I recently told a customer that having an N-1 strategy is just setting yourself up to lose. I don't think that works anymore in the current technology realm. But we need to reposition ourselves and get more assertive about getting the technology out, even though we're faster than we've ever been before. We can be a lot faster than we are. And that's a big area where I'm trying to drive the company sort of culturally.
Patrick McIlwee
Analyst at William Blair
Okay, very helpful. Thank you both. Thank you.
Operator
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We ask that you please limit yourselves to one question so that we may accommodate all participants. Your next question comes from the line of Lucky Schreiner with DA Davidson. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Lucky Schreiner
Analyst at DA Davidson
Great, thanks for taking my question. You guys called out the stronger net new ACV and you had originally called out, you know, the year would be back half weighted. But last quarter, I know you guys had some push deals that were still in the pipeline. So just curious if you can maybe level set for some of the puts and takes around some of those push deals close and how did that contribute to the net new ACV this quarter? Thanks.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
Sure. We did have some deals closed that were expected to close earlier. We also had some deals slip into Q4 that we thought were going to close in Q3. So what I would say is our Q4, naturally, we have a lot of work to do because it's only October 20th. But we have a lot of work to do in Q4. Quarters just started. We're entering it with the strongest pipeline that we've ever had. I think maybe in a Q4 ever. That said, the market's not as predictable as it has been, and so we have to kind of balance that in terms of our expectations. But we have plenty of opportunities, and we need to just focus on our execution and helping our clients, quite frankly, get out of their own way at times to actually move forward on some of these advancements.
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Conference Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mark Chappell with Loop Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Mark Chappell
Analyst at Loop Capital Markets
Hi, thanks for taking my question. Ken, just building on an earlier question on your public sector business, are you seeing some of the same purchasing behaviors and AI scrutiny in your public sector business as you're seeing in your commercial business?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
That's a really good question, Mark. Maybe I'll give you our perspective or my perspective. In the commercial side, in certain verticals, specifically financial services being a big one, they spent a lot of money in AI to kind of test things out, to try things out, to evaluate. I would say in the public sector, not as much. So I would say AI is still important to the public sector, but I don't think they've distracted budgets to the same extent.
Mark Chappell
Analyst at Loop Capital Markets
That's helpful. Thank you.
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Your next question comes from the line of Alexey Gogolev with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Alexey Gogolev
Analyst at JP Morgan
Hello, everyone. And I wanted to ask about Cloud ACV and the backlog strength. So now that the Cloud ACV is 59% of total, and Cloud Backlog is up strongly. How should we think about the lag from Cloud ACV and Backlog to cloud revenue recognition over the next few quarters, especially given the deployment challenges that you talked about?
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
So just just I'm glad you actually said that. I wouldn't connect what we talked about with helping clients get adoption with things that are already in PegaCloud or PegaCloud backlog. That's more around things that are in the pipeline. So just hopefully that's helpful clarification on that. That's more about our future growth. The things that are in PegaCloud backlog typically come into revenue over the next Two to three quarters, typically. So you should think about, well, first, the first part of your question was, how should we think about PegaCloud going to 59% of the strength and backlog? I think what that really highlights is that our clients are very committed to Pega, right? And committed over a long term. So I think that's a great sign. Pegacloud, the current RPO, tends to come in a couple quarters after it enters, just depending on effective dates, when things start, the specific contracts, and how they roll into revenue. But just assume a couple quarters, Lexi.
Alexey Gogolev
Analyst at JP Morgan
Thank you.
Ken
Chief Financial Officer
You're welcome.
Operator
Conference Operator
We have reached the end of today's Q&A. I will now turn the call back to Alan Trefler for closing remarks.
Alan Trefler
Founder and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you to everybody who joined this call. I'll share with you that we're actually incredibly excited about this opportunity and the important strategic direction that we took a couple of years ago when we decided to go after things with this design and runtime distinction, this highly differentiated approach that we are more convinced than ever is exactly right. And candidly, when we see organizations Thank you very much and look forward to talking with you all again soon.