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QCR Holdings Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator
Conference Call Operator
Good morning and thank you for joining us today for QCR Holdings, Inc.'s third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Following the close of the market yesterday, the company issued its earnings press release for the third quarter. If anyone joining us today has not yet received a copy, it is available on the company's website, www.qcrh.com. With us today from management are Todd Gipple, President and CAO. and Nick Anderson, CFO. Management will provide a summary of the financial results and then we will open the call to questions from analysts. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that some of the information management will be providing today falls under the guidelines of forward-looking statements as defined by the Securities and Exchange Commission. As part of these guidelines, any statements made during this call concerning the company's hopes, beliefs, Thank you for joining us. The press release available on the website contains the financial and other quantitative information to be discussed today, as well as the reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP measures. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded and will be available for replay through October 28, 2026, starting this afternoon approximately one hour after the completion of the call. It will also be accessible on the company's website. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Todd Gipple at QCR Holdings.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Good morning everyone. Thank you for joining our call today. I'd like to start with the highlights of our third quarter performance and some thoughts about our business, and then Nick will walk us through the financial results in more detail. We delivered record earnings per share this quarter, supported by margin expansion, robust loan growth, increased capital markets revenue, Solid Wealth Management Revenue, and further improvement in asset quality to the strongest level in several years. Return on average assets was 1.52%, reinforcing the earnings power, durability, and scalability of our diversified platform. We also continued to deploy capital with a balanced approach, generating 11% year-over-year growth in tangible book value per share, while at the same time returning capital to shareholders through opportunistic share repurchases and dividend increases. Our consistently strong earnings allow us to sustain healthy levels of capital while maintaining optionality with respect to capital deployment. Our traditional banking business continues to deliver healthy organic growth with strong production across our traditional lending platform driving approximately 7% annualized loan growth in each of the second and third quarters. Our multi-charter model is the best of both worlds, combining the autonomy and agility of local decision-making with the scale and resources of our larger organization. This approach creates and strengthens client relationships, helping us consistently take market share and enables us to attract and retain the most talented bankers in our markets who value local autonomy and the opportunity to grow within a high performance organization. Our digital transformation remains a key strategic priority and the completion of our third core conversion in October was another important milestone in that journey. This conversion was another great example of the strength of our multi-charter model with teammates who had been through prior conversions sharing their experience and supporting their colleagues throughout the process. I want to thank everyone involved for their hard work and commitment in making this latest conversion a complete success. Modernizing our technology stack will deliver meaningful benefits for both our clients and employees, expanding our service capabilities, enhancing the client experience, and driving further operating leverage. And as a reminder, we are managing these investments within the discipline of our 965 strategic model, Holding non-interest expense growth under 5% as we build our bank of the future while still maintaining our bank of the past in one remaining charter. Our final conversion in the Sea Rapids market is scheduled for next April, and we expect to see operating leverage build throughout the remainder of 2027 and subsequent years. Our wealth management business continued to deliver strong results, with revenue up 12% year-over-year. reflecting sustained new relationship growth and consistent growth in annual revenue. Our success in this business reflects the long-tenured expertise of our team and the power of our local relationship-driven model, which connects high-value clients in each of our communities with our dedicated wealth advisors. As we continue to expand advisory relationships, wealth management provides a growing source of recurring free income Deepens client engagement and further diversifies our revenue mix. Our LIHTC lending business continues to perform exceptionally well, as the demand for affordable housing remains robust, driven by a lack of supply and ongoing affordability challenges nationwide. This business is a key differentiator for our company, delivering highly profitable and annually consistent results, across a variety of interest rate environments and market conditions. Our deeper relationships with industry-leading LIHTC developers, combined with sustained market demand, position us well to grow this business and further strengthen our financial performance. We have now developed strong relationships and close funding for projects with 18 of the top 20 developers in the country, and during the first three quarters of the year, close transactions with 13 new developers. While our third quarter capital markets production was strong at 16.9 million, we had a number of transactions actually shift to a Q4 closing date. As a result, we are anticipating a very strong fourth quarter of capital markets production and expect Q4 results to be in a range of 18 to 20 million. This would put total 2026 production within our historical four quarters guidance range. We are also reaffirming our guidance for 60 to 70 million of capital markets revenue over the next four quarters. We continue to see positive momentum across both our traditional and LIHTC lending platforms. With solid loan production trends and a strong pipeline heading into year end, we are reaffirming our gross loan growth guidance of 10 to 15% annualized for the fourth quarter of 2026. Over the past 12 months, we have strategically sold and securitized loans to recycle capital, allowing us to support additional LIHTC originations and generate attractive fee income without requiring corresponding balance sheet growth. By recycling this capital into new originations, we generated over $67 million of capital markets revenue, while increasing net interest income by $24 million, or 10%. This demonstrates our ability to grow both net interest income and capital markets revenue while operating with a smaller balance sheet and deploying capital more efficiently. Looking ahead, we expect additional LIHTC off-tick activity in early 2027. As discussed in prior quarters, changes to Freddie Mac's M-Series securitization program significantly increased the complexity, Thank you for joining us. will result in a complete sale of the underlying loans without the retention of the first loss B tranche, fully removing the loans from risk-based assets and more effectively freeing up regulatory capital. These discussions are advancing, and we are confident that we can achieve alignment on a revised structure and complete our first transaction in the first quarter of 2027. While these LIHTC offtake transactions temper balance sheet growth in the near term, They enhance long-term profitability by creating more capacity. That capacity is then rapidly redeployed into new originations, allowing us to replace the earning assets quickly and expand our capital markets revenue, creating greater ROAA and ROAE. This is our LIHTC flywheel in action, building an asset-light, capital-efficient, and revenue-heavy business in affordable housing. Creating this flywheel now allows us to work on further growing the business and increasing our levels of loan production and the related capital markets revenue. These offtake transactions are also allowing us to strategically manage our total assets under the $10 billion asset threshold this year. We anticipate growing beyond $10 billion sometime in 2027, and we will be fully prepared for the associated organizational impacts that would occur in mid-2028 as we continue to build on the planning efforts we began in 2023. The strength of our company is reflected in our performance across all three of our core lines of business. Over the past five years, we have driven a five-year earnings per share CAGR of 14%, a five-year tangible book value per share CAGR of 12.5%, and a 10-year total shareholder return of 266%. We have a proven, high-performance operating model, and we hold ourselves accountable for consistently driving shareholder value. Through continued investments in our people and our technology, combined with disciplined expense management, we are well-positioned to sustain our top-tier financial performance. I want to thank our more than 1,000 teammates for their hard work and their strong commitment to our high-performance culture. They make Relationship Driven come to life each day as they take exceptional care of our clients, our communities, and each other and create exceptional results that deliver long-term value for our shareholders. I'm incredibly proud of them and the high-performance culture that we have created. I will now turn the call over to Nick to provide further details regarding our third quarter results.
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Todd. Good morning, everyone. I'll provide additional details on the key drivers of our third quarter performance and share our outlook for the fourth quarter. We delivered strong third quarter results with adjusted net income of $36 million or $2.21 per diluted share, driving an adjusted return on average assets of 1.52%. Net interest income was $69 million, an increase of $800,000 or 5% annualized, from the second quarter. NEM TEY expanded three basis points to 3.58%, exceeding our guidance. The late quarter increase in net interest income was driven by margin expansion supported by disciplined funding costs and higher average non-interest bearing deposits. Average earning assets declined 44 million, reflecting the strategic LIHTC loan offtake transactions completed in the second quarter. with strong third quarter loan and investment growth partially offsetting the reduction. Looking ahead, we continue to benefit from repricing lower yielding loans into higher market rates. We are encouraged by the strength of our lending pipeline and ongoing client demand, which continue to support profitable growth opportunities across our footprint. We recognize the value of clear guidance around NIMH, and we continue to be as transparent as possible. However, given the active management of our balance sheet, including robust earning asset growth, funding mix changes, deposit pricing, and LIHTC offtake transactions, NIM can fluctuate slightly in either direction from quarter to quarter. Our focus remains on managing those dynamics in a disciplined way and ensuring that balance sheet growth translates into stronger net interest income and improved profitability. Our current balance sheet position remains modestly liability sensitive. However, that does not fully capture the timing benefits we expect in the near term. Following the Federal Reserve September rate increase, variable rate assets, new loan production, and investment growth are repricing faster than our deposits, where deposit repricing typically occurs with a lag. As a result, We expect a September Fed rate increase to be slightly accretive to NIM in the near term. After that initial benefit, another 25 basis point increase in the Fed funds rate would likely have a more muted impact that is closer to neutral, depending on deposit repricing, customer behavior, and the shape of the yield curve. We remain focused on maintaining deposit pricing discipline and managing funding costs carefully. While the historical lag in deposit repricing should allow us to retain some near-term benefit from higher rates, continued competition for deposits and changes in our funding mix are expected to largely offset that benefit. Accordingly, assuming no additional Federal Reserve rate changes, we expect fourth quarter NIM TEY to remain relatively static. Our fourth quarter NIM outlook is supported by a strong loan pipeline and the opportunity to reprice approximately $165 million of fixed rate loans, which we expect to move from the low 6% range to the mid 6% range. We also project our non-taxable investment yields to continue expanding, supported by a solid pipeline of new municipal bonds expected to yield between 7.5% and 8% on a tax equivalent basis. Non-interest income totaled $30 million. compared to $29 million in the second quarter. Capital markets revenue increased to $17 million from $15 million in the prior quarter, which included a $1.3 million loss from the Freddie Mac LIHTC securitization. Wealth management revenue totaled $6 million, consistent with the prior quarter benefiting from continued expansion of client relationships and growth in assets under management. Compared with the third quarter of 2025, wealth management revenue increased by 12%. Non-interest income performance continues to highlight the strength of our diversified revenue model. Our capital markets and wealth management platforms provide meaningful earnings diversification, reduced reliance on spread income, and support more consistent profitability across changing interest rate and economic environments. Now turning to expenses. Non-interest expense for the third quarter totaled $54.7 million, compared to $53.2 million for the second quarter, and we're near the lower end of our guidance range. The linked quarter increase primarily reflected higher occupancy and equipment expense, salary and employee benefits, and the timing of advertising and marketing expenses. The increase in occupancy and equipment expense reflected costs associated with our third core system conversion completed in early October. The increase in salary and employee benefits reflected higher incentive compensation driven by strong full-year performance to date. Our efficiency ratio remained solid at 55% for the third quarter. Our year-to-date adjusted efficiency ratio has improved to 56% from 58% in 2025, reflecting our continued focus on operating leverage as year-to-date revenues have increased 9.3%, compared with the expense growth of 4.8%. Expenses remain well controlled, highlighting disciplined execution of our 965 strategic model which targets annual non-interest expense growth below 5%. As we have now completed three of four core conversions, our progress on non-interest expenses demonstrate that we can continue investing in digital transformation while managing annual expense growth below 5%. For the fourth quarter, we expect non-interest expense to remain well controlled Assuming capital markets revenue and loan growth are within our guidance ranges and reflecting continued investments in digital transformation initiatives, we are reaffirming our non-interest expense guidance range of $54 to $57 million. Moving to the balance sheet. Total loans grew $190 million in the quarter, or 11% annualized, when excluding the M2 portfolio runoff. We also increased our high-performing securities portfolio by $30 million from the second quarter, including $63 million of new privately placed municipal investments added at tax-equivalent yields at 7.25%. Core deposits, when excluding broker deposits, totaled $7 billion, compared with $7.3 billion at June 30, while broker deposits remained at approximately 2% of total deposits. Non-interest-bearing deposits increased slightly, and average non-interest-bearing deposits increased 39 million or 15% annualized. While we experienced typical outflows of correspondent deposit balances during the final few weeks of the quarter, those deposits have since returned to our balance sheet along with additional deposit growth shortly after the quarter ended. As of mid-October, total deposits have grown over 500 million since quarter end. including 40 million of non-interest bearing balances. We also achieved our fourth consecutive quarter of non-interest bearing deposit growth, demonstrating continued progress on this key strategic priority. Additionally, net new commercial and retail account growth this year is well ahead of the first nine months of 2025. Taken together, the return of course line of balances, continued non-interest bearing deposit growth, and Strong's Net New Account Activity reflect positive underlying deposit trends. These trends reinforce our confidence in the strength of our deposit franchise and our ability to fund future growth. Given the dynamic nature of our balance sheet, quarter end balances can fluctuate more than those of similarly sized banks. This quarter underscores why we remain focused on underlying trends rather than any single quarter end balance. Asset quality improved further during the quarter and is the strongest we've experienced in years. Non-performing assets totaled $38 million, a decrease of $1.5 million from the prior quarter. And the NPA to total asset ratio improved to 0.39%, its lowest level since 2024. Total criticized loans decreased $14 million to 1.67% of total loans and leases. the lowest level as a percentage of total loans and leases since 2019. The improvement reflected a combination of loan payoffs, credit upgrades and charge-offs across several criticized borrower relationships. The company recorded total provision for credit losses consistent with the second quarter. Net charge-offs were 3 million, a decline of 200,000 from the prior quarter and the lowest level recorded all year as we continue to benefit from positive charge-off trends from the wind-down of the M2 portfolio. During the third quarter, we repurchased approximately 9.5 million or 95,000 shares of common stock. The share repurchase program enhances our capital allocation flexibility and allows us to balance organic growth, shareholder returns, and capital strength while reinforcing confidence in our long-term outlook. Tangible book value per share increased to $61.79 at September 30, representing 11% year-over-year growth. Tangible common equity to tangible assets decreased 28 basis points to 10.43%, primarily reflecting the impact of higher interest rates on accumulated other comprehensive income and continued share repurchases, partially offset by strong earnings. The Common Equity Tier 1 ratio increased 33 basis points to 11.01%, and the total risk-based capital ratio increased 37 basis points to 14.5%. These quarterly changes reflect the combined impact of strong earnings partially offset by share purchases during the quarter. Finally, our effective tax rate for the quarter was 9%, up slightly from the prior quarter. Our actively managed, very low effective tax rate continues to be influenced by the mix of tax-exempt income relative to taxable income, particularly the level and timing of capital markets revenue and tax-advantaged loan and bond income. Assuming a revenue mix in line with our guidance ranges, we estimate our effective tax rate to continue to trend in the range of 8% to 10% for the fourth quarter of 2026. In summary, The third quarter reflected the strength of our diversified business model that created robust loan growth, expansion in net interest margin, healthy fee income, disciplined expenses, and excellent asset quality. We enter the fourth quarter with solid pipelines and positive momentum across our businesses. With that added context on our third quarter results, let's open the call for your questions. Operator, we are ready for our first questions.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your hands up before pressing the keys. If any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question today comes from Jeff Roulis with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
Jeff Roulis
Analyst, DA Davidson
Thanks. Good morning. Good morning, Joe. Question on the – I'm curious on the LIHTC portfolio as that's historically performed in an up-rate cycle. If you could just speak to demand, the credit side, fee generation, just in general, if there's anything you could pull or glean historically on how that – How that changes, if at all, in the upcoming cycle?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Sure. Jeff, thanks for the great question. When longer rates are going up, that is a bit of a headwind for our clients, for developers. They have to go back to the well, if you will, and work on their capital stack a little bit when those financing costs go up. One of the things we love about this business is it's very durable through all rate cycles. We've experienced all different cycles in our time in the affordable space, so it's very durable. But it will tend at times to have a developer need to go back and work on the capital stack a bit to make up for the added interest carry, interest cost. and we did see some deals slide from Q3 to Q4. We talked a little bit about that in the prepared comments. It's one of the reasons we're very optimistic about the fourth quarter. So at times it can take a little bit longer for deals to get fully baked and the capital stack in place and get the deals closed, but historically it has not stopped progress and projects.
Jeff Roulis
Analyst, DA Davidson
Appreciate that. And anything on the credit or fee side? It seems like fees is more on rate volatility, I suppose. But anything on those last two items on credit and fee income?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
No. Really, historically, again, we point at this in our investor presentation. There's a slide in there about the 35 plus year history of this industry through all different economic cycles and the credit is really unimpacted by this. And Jeff, part of the reason is those costs are fully baked at closing. So that developer knows what their committed rate is for 15 to 18 years and they have made the capital stack work with that amount of interest carry. and so that really doesn't tend to impact credit. In terms of fees, really the only impact on fees is if we provide somebody a term sheet at a certain rate and then we see a massive move in the long rates during that period between then and close, we can see our revenue impacted a little bit and I would say slightly. So at times it can impact that intra quarter, if that makes sense.
Jeff Roulis
Analyst, DA Davidson
Yeah, no, appreciate it, Todd. And then maybe just hopping over one other question on the expenses. Really at the low end, you talk about trying to keep those sub 5%. It looks like this year you're headed for almost a flat year over year, 26 to 25. You know, just trying to figure out That's outperformed, I suppose, on your expectations. And then kind of coupled with that is the conversion impact. If that does, the final one completes in April. Maybe some early thoughts on 27 growth.
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, Jeff, thanks for the question. Yeah, we are pretty proud of the progress we're making on our non-interest expense. while we're investing in the business at the same time. And, you know, when we think about the go forward, much like how we've been preparing to cross the 10 billion asset threshold where we've been layering in some of those costs over time, we expect this similar impact when it comes to the investments we're making in our core systems where we'll start experiencing and already have experienced some cost savings here. When I look at the data processing costs year over year, year to date, those are down 11%, about $2 million. So you're seeing some of that impact already in our run rate versus a cliff or a spike here when you think about the go forward. So very similar approach. A modest or moderate layering in of cost reductions here as we go through these core conversions. We have the next one here in April, and that'll be our final one. We've spent a fair amount of time of optimizing our frontline staff experience as well as our client experience. When we get into 27, 28, we'll be spending more time optimizing the back office experience.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Jeff, really appreciate the question and allowing Nick to get into the Details a little bit there just to point out what is happening. So appreciate the question. I would just tag on to that. I mentioned that in our opening comments. We are very optimistic about operating leverage in the back half of 27 and beyond. We're really pleased with the partners we've selected with our core. Q2 is a huge partner for us in front of our clients. We're just very pleased. about the technology stack. We're looking forward to having it done in April. And again, that is one of the reasons that we're very optimistic about continuing to grow ROAA in the traditional bank space. The operating leverage we're going to continue to pick up.
spk10
Okay. I appreciate the details. Thanks. Thanks, Jeff.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
The next question comes from Damon Del Monte with KBW. Please go ahead.
Damon Del Monte
Analyst, KBW
Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Appreciate, as always, the detailed insights that you guys provide on these calls. But a couple questions here. Just wondering, you know, when you look at the pipeline, the loan growth pipeline, obviously very robust, how much of that growth is being driven by LIHTC versus the traditional community banking?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Sure, Damon. Right now, that mix is around 70-30, 70 LIHTC, 30%. I will tell you that we have had the most robust loan growth in the traditional bank space the last two quarters consecutively. So we are really pleased that we continue to see great production in the traditional bank space. That helps us achieve that more like 10% to 15%. and many more. So, Damon, I'm a little reticent to throw specific numbers out at this point. And I think you've been on this journey with QCR for a long time, and you know our bias to maintaining a strong say-do ratio. So I would just tell you and everyone else this is where we're going to want to show it and prove it before we talk a lot about it. But what I can tell you is that we have spent the last couple of years really working on and investing in the factory so we can go faster. So our expectation is that this business will begin growing. We've got everything in place, we believe, to see that happen. With now perfecting a better methodology on perm offtake, I think that's going to make us even more nimble in terms of offtake on perm. Solving the construction offtake was huge because it allows us to say yes more often. All signs point to this business growing for us. I'm just a little reluctant to say how big and how fast. So apologies on that being more transparent. But as soon as we start seeing that come together, I think we're going to be upgrading our guidance and being a either our January call certainly April we're going to have more color for all of you on that. I will tell you there's one other reason I'm being a little hesitant to move that guidance up more quickly. There is one thing going on in the industry that is a bit of a headwind and that is that lots of developers and lots of projects and the need for affordable is significant. And it's not diminishing, it's growing. So the future of this business line is very positive. But right now, equity investment has not caught up. And so I think some of you might be familiar with what happened in the latest housing bill where the PWI percentage was increased for all the largest banks in the country. And that's where a lot of the equity comes from. So I'm optimistic. We're optimistic that this shortfall of equity is going to get fixed. And just to be transparent, Damon, when that happens, I think that's when you're going to see this business grow for us. Because right now, developers are struggling to find enough equity to fill all the capital stacks. Fortunately, D.C. did something positive about that to give the largest banks in the country more power to do more equity. But that just happened this summer, and it's probably a year for that to really take effect. So again, very optimistic about growing this business. How fast and when that starts, we'll want to prove it a bit first.
Damon Del Monte
Analyst, KBW
Great. I appreciate that color. And then just maybe one more quick one on kind of the margin and kind of broader speaking. You know, if we do have more Fed increases, just wondering, given the first increase we just saw, kind of how depositor attitudes are today versus the last rate height cycle. Are you seeing there, you know, more one-on-one discussions for people asking for higher rates? You know, is it any different than what we saw in like 2023? And kind of how do you view the beta as we go forward? Thank you.
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, Damon, typically in rate hiking cycles, we see the greatest near-term benefit early in that cycle because our deposit betas tend to lag. Asset yields reprice more quickly while we can initially hold back on some of the increases on the non-index deposits. So over a full hiking cycle, when we look back, You know, eventually deposit pricing does catch up with more of those interest rate sensitive clients getting to us. But when we look back at the last hiking cycle, earning asset yields, they captured approximately 49% of the Fed Fund move compared to our deposits were about 56%. So I think when we You know, discuss or look forward a little bit. I don't know why we'd come off of that expectation at this point. So, again, this really, you know, as I mentioned in my earlier comments, creates some early NIM upside, but it also tends to move us more liability sensitive later in the cycle.
Damon Del Monte
Analyst, KBW
Got it. Okay. That's helpful. That's all that I had. I appreciate you answering my questions. Thank you. Thanks, Damon.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
The next question comes from Nathan Race with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
Nathan Race
Analyst, Piper Sandler
Hey, guys. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Not to be the dead horse on the margin, but just curious how you're thinking about just deposits on both, I'm sorry, betas on both sides of the balance sheet, if in fact we do get a couple more rate hikes in the next year. And is the expectation that with hopefully some funding, mixed improvement, just given some You know, hopefully, you know, deposit growth momentum into the 4Q into next year that, you know, there's some opportunities to remix some of the funding to maybe mitigate what you have repricing on the deposit side of things immediately.
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah. So, Nate, appreciate the question. You know, when we think about NIM and where we sit from a liability sensitivity position, We've really moved to more of a neutral stance. And so it's just 4% of earning assets today. So we're liability sensitive by $300 to $400 million. So it's very slight. A lot of our expectations when we look ahead here continues to be more of a stable outcome, especially when it comes to betas, kind of more of a balanced situation for us. Again, as rate hikes, if they were to continue, as I just mentioned to Damon, we would expect, you know, ultimately some of that liability sensitivity to start showing up more.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Nate, I might tag on to that a little bit too. You asked about mix. We are laser focused on non-interest bearing. Our NIB percentage is far too low. It is our number one area of focus in traditional banking. and I'm pleased to say we're making some very good progress. We've had four consecutive quarters of positive momentum in moving our NIB percentage up. We have a target of getting that up to the peer group in the low 20s, 21 to 23%. That is going to take a long time. But our goal internally is to move that 100 basis points a year. every single year. And so far, so good. The bankers are doing tremendous work in that regard. If you want to know the detail of how it's happening, basically, we allowed our peg balances in our treasury management area to get to zero or near zero, and we just candidly were not getting enough wallet share free money out of our best clients. And so we now have a program in place where we do not book a new treasury management client without a significant NIB peg balance. And we are now working on existing client relationships to start moving that up. So that's where the benefits coming from. But I think, Nate, I loved your question because for us, it's really going to be about that mixed change that's going to shelter us from rates up.
Nathan Race
Analyst, Piper Sandler
and just kind of think about what you're seeing from a competition perspective on new loan production, both on the light tech and commercial side of things and footprint. You know, just any thoughts on kind of where you're seeing new loan production come on the portfolio yield. I appreciate your comments, Nick, about some of the repricing that you have on the back book that can help near term as well in terms of loan yields. But just any thoughts on kind of where you're seeing production come on these days?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Sure, Nate. Thanks. Nick's going to give you a little bit of Data here in a minute on new loan rates. But again, I mentioned earlier, traditional banking is doing a fabulous job of doing more transactions and building a deeper relationship with existing clients. But right now we are taking a lot of market share within our markets. And honestly, part of that is just simply having the best bankers in the market. Part of it is having the size in the market that we do where we can really be viewed as the preeminent bank in the market. And so we get an opportunity to bank most anything that moves in the market. And then in terms of taking market share, one of the things that really helps us is each of our four charters can punch way above their weight in terms of deal size and complexity. with the backbone of the $10 billion organization. So I would just give a little bit of recognition to our folks in Central Iowa, our community state bank charter there. They have taken some tremendous clients from some of the bigger banks in that community because we can handle it and we have better people. So in terms of competition in local markets, I feel really good about how we're performing there. On the LIHTC side, Typically, when we have a great relationship with a developer, the only time we don't get that perm financing is if that perm financing is tied to the equity provider. So what happens in the industry is a lot of times the equity provider will come in, they know that equity is already a little scarce, so they can basically say, we're going to buy the credits, we're going to give you X cents on the dollar, we're going to provide your equity, but you have to use our PERM loan product. And so that is when we run into some headwinds in that space. So we are combating that by partnering with a lot of the equity providers that I would say are PERM loan agnostic. Either they don't do any lending, or if they do, they prefer construction and not PERM. And so we are really focused on creating relationships with equity providers where when a developer has to tell one of our folks, hey, we really would love to use you guys on this deal, but the equity is driving that, that we can come in with alternatives for equity that we are partnered with. So that's just some of the competitive environment there. Obviously, we're having pretty good success as we are doing 10%, 12%, 15% loan growth, so we're having a lot of success, but Those are a couple of the things that we have to be careful about, particularly on the LIHTC side, that we need to continue to be partnered with equity providers to make sure that the developers that want us to do their transactions can allow us to do that. And then, Nick, you want to give a little
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Yep, Nate, so pricing is firmed up. We continue to target spreads kind of in that 225, 250 basis points over comparable FHLB. So that would imply some yields in the upper 6% range. Certainly competition is intense. Actual pricing starts to run a little bit inside of those targets, but spreads certainly have improved from prior quarters. When we look at what's coming on for fixed loans, we're targeting more in that 650, 675 range. Floating is starting to pierce the 7% to 7.25 range is kind of where we're at today.
Nathan Race
Analyst, Piper Sandler
That's very helpful. I appreciate all that color. Thanks. And Todd, since you mentioned 10 in assets, I'm curious what the thinking is in terms of when you may surpass that threshold. I know you're hesitant to talk about additional off-date transactions, which may unfold next year. I guess within that discussion, I'm curious if you could maybe just update us on your M&A thoughts. It seems that that's maybe something you're a little bit more open to these days and you have been seeing some kind of increased conversation. So I apologize for the loaded question, but would love to just kind of hear your thoughts along those lines.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
No worries, Nate. I appreciate both ends of that question. So first on $10 billion, we've been planning for this since 2023. We continue to view it as a managed milestone, not a disruptive event. We expect to stay under $10 billion here in the fourth quarter, but we fully expect to run past $10 billion sometime in 27. Honestly, it's likely in the first half of the year, given our strong loan growth. That allows us to not have the regulatory and urban impacts until July of 28. So again, further delaying those impacts. Nick's talked pretty extensively from an expense standpoint. We do not see a blip coming in 28 related to $10 billion. Our folks have done a great job layering in the The people and the discipline that we need from a regulatory perspective, we do expect revenue impact from Durban in the middle of 28. That's around $3 million in annual. We are blessed in that we have two strong and growing sources of other revenue in LIHTC and wealth management to help mute that and fully offset that. So we really view $10 billion as something we're going to do well-planned and fairly gracefully in 27 and then be ready for the impacts in 28. So that does tie into M&A because so many, I think so many peers have felt that they are compelled to do a transaction to deal with expenses and interchange and all of that. That is not our approach and it's not going to be our approach, but we are, a bit more open to M&A than we have been the past few years. We've been really focused on growing EPS and TBV double-digit levels organically. And because our three lines of business are going so well, I would just be very clear the bar is incredibly high for us to consider an M&A partner because right now organically we are driving great results in EPS and TBV growth So the hurdle rate, the bar is quite high. But we are having more conversations, and what's changed in that regard is we're about to wrap up our digital transformation in April. And we really wanted to have that done and done incredibly well before we disrupted that with onboarding and acquisition. So as a result, we're more open. We're having more dialogue. Again, I would tell you the hurdle rate is very high. and we are going to be what I would say very picky because it's going to have to further improve ROAA and ROAE and further grow earnings per share and we are very reticent to dilute tangible book value per share. I think part of the reason we've seen the 266 Thank you. Thank you. Not only on the front burner, nothing really even on the stove yet, because that bar is pretty high.
Nathan Race
Analyst, Piper Sandler
Okay, great. That's super helpful. And just to confirm, Todd, you said turbine would be a $3 million annual hit, or was that just kind of the back-off hit for 28, theoretically?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Yeah, $3 million annual. So half that and 28, $3 million annual. Okay, great. Good stuff. I appreciate all the color. Thanks, guys. Thanks for the great questions, Nate.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
The next question comes from Brandon Rude with Stevens, Inc. Please go ahead.
Brandon Rude
Analyst, Stephens, Inc.
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. If I could just start, and correct me if I'm wrong here, but my understanding is the new partnerships... maybe enter into next year will really accelerate the flywheel on the LIHTC side of things. And I guess this isn't necessarily speaking about 27, but longer term, does this allow you to do maybe, you know, four, five, six off takes a year versus the one or two previously? Or is that too ambitious? Or am I thinking about that right?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
No, Brandon, I think you're thinking about it just right. Um, The new format and the new process we're going to use with our partners on perm loan offtake will be much more nimble in that regard. The prior plan and the prior execution with Freddie on these larger securitizations, those things were taking 12 to 18 months to get fully baked. That's part of the reason that we had to move away from that. It's just far too long, far too costly. Not very efficient. And so we started going to some of our partners and saying, hey, you're buying this asset on the back end of this securitization and you're not getting the full yield because of all the costs. And we're having economics that aren't good for us. Why don't we just take that out of the equation and why don't you look at buying our assets directly? That's where we're headed. I do anticipate us having proof of concept on that in the first quarter. And to your point, Brandon, I would expect that over time that might, while not fully turning into a forward flow arrangement, it could be much like that in terms of we build some inventory and we have some offtake. We build some inventory, we have some offtake. So that might smooth things a little bit. We know it's a bit disruptive for you and the rest of your peers trying to model our balance sheet and NII dollars and all of that when we have less frequent, bigger swings in assets. So that would be a nice outcome if it was a little more smooth. But what I would tell you is having this in place is one of the final steps we needed to be able to go faster in this business. Thank you very much for that.
Brandon Rude
Analyst, Stephens, Inc.
along a similar vein. So without having to hold that first loss tranche, I guess just hypothetically, if you didn't have that for your previous off-take partnerships, what's the capital benefit versus your 11% C2N ratio this last quarter? Is it like 25, 50 basis points or is it multiple percentage points improvement?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Great. Brandon, I'm glad you asked because I was hoping somebody would. We have a little over 100 million in B pieces right now. We have not felt compelled to sell those. One of the reasons is our CET1 got over 11% organically, even holding on to those. So that's part of it. The other part is their tax equivalent yields in the high eights. and allowing those B pieces to season makes them more marketable as well. So for all good reasons, we've held on to them. But when we sell those B pieces, that will free up 100 basis points of regulatory capital, CET1 and total risk base. So it is a big number. And the reason it's a big number is Because we have the BP's tranche, we have about a billion dollars of assets not on the balance sheet that we're still carrying the risk waiting for. So I'm glad you asked the question. It allowed us to be a little more transparent on order of magnitude, but it is very big. It's 100 basis points.
Brandon Rude
Analyst, Stephens, Inc.
Got it. Okay. Awesome. Well, thank you very much for taking my questions. Thanks, Brandon.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
The next question comes from Nicholas Helico with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
Nicholas Helico
Analyst, Raymond James
Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just to follow up on the prior question, sounds like there will be some pretty significant capital benefits when you get these new structures up and running. I guess when you get to that point, How would that change how you think about the decision between whether it's investing in organic growth or buybacks or as you alluded to before, you know, potential M&A? How does that impact the sort of decision tree that you face when you're thinking about deploying capital?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Sure, Nick. Great question. So here's how we think about it when we look at the four uses of capital. So historically for us, for the vast majority of our 30 years, it's been supporting organic growth. In the last couple of years with offtake, our organic growth net has been muted. But we do expect, starting in 27 and 28, we're going to get back to letting the balance sheet grow a little more significantly. as we have in the past. So what I would tell you is supporting organic growth is going to become a bit more of a need starting next year. So in terms of that use of capital, that will be elevated a bit more starting in 27. Just talked about M&A. We're open to some conversations. I want to be very clear about one thing. Got this question from one of our best shareholders, and asked me very directly with all this capital growth, are you feeling compelled to or pressured to do an M&A transaction? And I will just tell everyone on the call that that is certainly not the case. We don't feel any pressure to or any urgency to do M&A. It's still an incredibly high bar. So the utilization for M&A will be less about What's going on with our ratios and more about the opportunity that we might find. So that leaves us with the two ways we could spend it, not invest it. And I've just got to tell you, Nick, we're thrilled to have returned about 66 million of capital by buying 770,000 shares. That was a little under 5% of outstanding, but we made a lot of progress. and our weighted average price was $85 per share. So we feel really good about that return of capital to our shareholders. At the same time, we did bump our dividend yield a bit. It's still incredibly modest. I wouldn't want anyone to expect that we're going to continue to do that as frequently and we're not chasing a number there in terms of dividend payout ratio. It was simply we could afford it. We felt it was good to reward our retail shareholders with a dividend increase. So those last two things, dividends and repurchases, the word I would give you is opportunistic. We want to be opportunistic in terms of deploying that capital for share repurchases. One of the benefits we have as we are growing earnings per share and TBV at such a fast clip, when we look at being opportunistic, I would tell you I think we can be a little more aggressively opportunistic because when we model those buybacks, we do it with our internal look at forward earnings. So if we're trying to hit a five-year earn back on repurchases, we know what we're doing with earnings per share internally and we can be a bit more aggressively opportunistic there. I know that's not got a lot of precision, but that's really how we look at those four uses. I think organic growth will go up a bit. M&A, TBD, if we find something that beats that very high bar for us. So then that leaves us with opportunistic share repurchases is probably our biggest focus right now.
Nicholas Helico
Analyst, Raymond James
Awesome. That's very helpful. Thank you. and maybe just one more. It sounds like everything is on track and it should be an exciting start to next year when we get the first transaction underway. I'm just wondering as we think about higher rates that can have implications for activity levels, but does that put any pressure on the ability to get some of these new style transactions or offtakes rather completed or is the pipeline visibility there to getting those done kind of undeterred by the backdrop at this point? Thank you.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Sure. Nick, thanks for that question because that allows us to talk about something that I think a handful of folks probably have forgotten or don't realize, but those assets on our balance sheet are floating rate. So the good news is we're not going to have a delta or be upside down on fixed rate LIHTC loans on our balance sheet and get caught in that conversation with our partners. Those are floating. When rates are going up, they're going up. And so we don't see any headwinds on that offtake process due to rates up.
spk10
So appreciate the question. Great, thank you. Thanks, Nick.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
The next question comes from Brian Martin with Breein Capital. Please go ahead. Brian, your line may be muted.
Brian Martin
Analyst, Breein Capital
Hey, sorry. Good morning, guys. Good morning. Sorry for that. I guess, I don't know, maybe for Nick, just in terms of the bigger picture, at least I appreciate all the guidance and the thoughtfulness you guys have shared this morning. Just on the efficiency, as we think about that with the conversions and the $10 billion, the outlook for the operating leverage next year, as far as targeting efficiency, are you kind of in the low 50s is how you're thinking about it as you move into 27 and capture the full benefits and Can I think about this $10 billion level as you move forward from today's mid-50s type of level? How should we be thinking about that? Is that right?
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, Brian. I think you're on to it. That's how we're viewing where we stand today, kind of in that mid-50s. And then taking into consideration everything we've talked about earlier on the call, where we're starting to see some of that benefit from all of the investments we're making work their way into the financials while at the same time we're still making some deep investments here. So I think that's a fair assessment and we continue on the revenue side as well having high expectations. So certainly a component there when you think about efficiency.
Brian Martin
Analyst, Breein Capital
Yeah. Okay. And then Todd, to your point about the The potential use of capital, I mean, the high bar that you have on M&A, I mean, in terms of priorities for what M&A could bring to you, I mean, is it more about size or scale or deposits? Is there any priorities in terms of that M&A that we should at least know about in terms of how you're viewing that?
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Sure. Thanks, Brian. I would say that it's really got to do with the high hurdle in terms of what it would have to do for us and our shareholders. Then it also has to fit into what we call our strike zone. I think we've got a page in our investor deck that gives all the attributes related to what we view to be in our strike zone and kind of keeping with the World Series theme, it's a pretty tight strike zone in terms of what we're looking for. So right now, Really two categories for us. We would have a very high degree of interest in doing something in central Iowa as a bolt-on to our very successful bank in that market. CSB in that market is doing an amazing job, growing very quickly, making great market share, 130 plus basis points ROA in our biggest, most competitive market. So very pleased with that team. would love to give them a little more scale if we found somebody that made sense in that market. And then it gets to a fifth market with the right characteristics. And those characteristics, again, have to do with a market that's very similar to the four markets we're in today. We do not want to be in markets smaller than where we're at. And there are a ton of those in Iowa and in Missouri. We want to be in a little larger MSA, but not too large. We like the size of the four markets we're in, and that's our sweet spot. So we're looking for a market that has that type of size. And then I'll skip all the other nine or ten things on that page in terms of strike zone. But we would be looking for, I guess the punchline I would tell you is just like we did when we moved into central Iowa in 2016. What most attracts us to a potential M&A partner is we want to acquire something that we can make better, make it grow faster, make it more profitable. We want it to be the preeminent bank in the market. And maybe the final punchline is, having been around bank M&A for 40 plus years, I really believe the second most important thing you can look for in an M&A transaction is great core deposits. The most important thing you acquire are the people serving those clients and serving that community. And a lot of people forget that, and they forget that, and so they do the acquisition and they forget about the people aspect and they fail to grow organically post-M&A, they lose the best people, they lose their best clients, and we don't do that. So we are looking for the opposite of that. We're looking for a great franchise that we can help grow.
Brian Martin
Analyst, Breein Capital
Gotcha. That's super helpful, Todd. And maybe just last one for me, just one housekeeping for Nick and just, I don't know, a big picture on credit, just housekeeping, kind of the full year tax rate, if we think about, you know, 27, any big change from this year, Nick? And then, I don't know, for either one of you, just on I mean, credit quality is so good. Loan growth is still really, really excellent as well. Just how to think about kind of reserves or provisions going forward, any big change to kind of run rates we've been at or just how to think about that as we look forward. And thanks for taking the questions.
Nick Anderson
Chief Financial Officer
Brian, I'll start on the tax question. Please, you know, that you pointed out our tax position, and we're very active in managing to a very low effective tax rate. And that comes through both our LIHTC and our municipal bond businesses, but also includes us, you know, being active in tax credit investments. Assuming, you know, certainly as we look to Q4, we've given that guidance in the 8% to 10% range. That's kind of where we've been historically for quite some time. The one major needle mover that can change that dramatically is a significant increase quarter over quarter in our capital markets revenues, obviously being taxable to the bottom line. That's how we're thinking about it right now. We've had the 8% to 10% range for quite some time, and that looks to be similar for us in the future.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
So, Brian, you asked about asset quality, and just to be transparent with everyone, I'm almost hesitant to say it out loud on an earnings call, but we are very pleased with our portfolio, very pleased to have moved NPAs down under 40 basis points, really thrilled with criticized loans dropping the way they have. And I will tell you that both special mention and substandard fell $10 million and $4 million, respectively, the right way. We had three large upgrades and one large payoff in special mention. We had two large payoffs in substandard. So asset quality improved the right way. We were able to work out of those deals and not charting them off. We will continue to maintain fairly robust reserves. Even though we have exceptional asset quality, we like operating in this 123, 124 basis points of CECL. And so maybe the punchline here on asset quality is we expect it to be very good, and yet we'll probably continue to keep pace at 123, 124 basis points. on CECL, and really just provide for growth.
Brian Martin
Analyst, Breein Capital
Perfect. All right. Well, thanks for everything, and thanks for the thoughtful comments today. It's always appreciated.
spk10
Thanks, Brian.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Todd Gipple for any closing remarks.
Todd Gipple
President & CAO
Thanks, Chloe. Thank you all for joining our call today. We really appreciate your interest in our company. Hope you have a great day and we look forward to connecting with you sometime soon. Thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.