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SBA Communications Corporation Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Welcome, and thank you for joining the SBA third quarter 2026 results. All audio lines are in listen-only mode. There will be a Q&A session at the end of the call, and we'll give you instructions on how to ask a question at that time. With that, I'll turn the call over to Louis Friend, Vice President, Finance and Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Louis Friend
Vice President, Finance and Capital Markets
Good evening, and thank you for joining us for SBA's third quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Here with me today are Brendan Cavanagh, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Marc Montagner, our Chief Financial Officer. Some of the information we will discuss on this call is forward-looking, including but not limited to any guidance for 2026 and beyond. In today's press release and in our SEC filings, we detail material risks that may cause our future results to differ from our expectations. Our statements are as of today, November 2nd. and we have no obligation to update any forward looking statement we may make. In addition, our comments will include non-GAAP financial measures and other key operating metrics. The reconciliation of and other information regarding these items can be found in our supplemental financial data package, which is located on the landing page of our investor relations website. With that, I will now turn it over to Brendan to comment on the third quarter.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Lewis. Well, we had another great quarter with industry-leading AFFO per share, strong operating margins, continued progress on our portfolio review, over $430 million returned to shareholders through dividends and share repurchases, and a solid investment-grade balance sheet. In the U.S., the level of customer activity in the third quarter was slightly below what we saw in the first half of the year, but in line with our expectations. Our customers remained focused on investing in their wireless networks. The bulk of the activity continues to come from new leases as carriers address coverage gaps and add capacity. In addition to new leases, carriers are upgrading their existing leases with 5G-capable mid-band spectrum, including C-band, and technological improvements such as massive MIMO and higher capacity radios. Fixed wireless access also continues to grow with millions of new subscribers compared to just a few years ago. That growth paired with steadily increasing mobile data traffic is placing more and more strain on today's networks. According to CTIA's 2026 annual survey released in September, in 2025, mobile data grew by 20% in the US and expectations are for data demand to quadruple by 2032. Much of that fueled by AI and the continued growth in non-phone devices, such as wearables and smart sensors. To help support this growth, we expect to see a new wave of spectrum come to market soon, including AT&T's 600 megahertz. New spectrum has always been one of the most important drivers of our business. And looking farther out, the spectrum pipeline continues to build. and I believe it is as strong as it has been in many years. The upper C-band auction is scheduled to begin in April of next year with the FCC required to complete it by July. It will make 160 megahertz of spectrum between 3.98 and 4.14 gigahertz available and combined with the existing lower C-band create a large 440 megahertz of contiguous mid-band for wireless use. whoever wins this spectrum will have to put it into commercial service and putting it into service means new equipment on our towers. Beyond the Upper Sea Band, we see steady progress across several additional bands. Just last week, the FCC proposed auctioning 25 megahertz of mid band spectrum in the 1.6 and 2.0 gigahertz bands. Given the administration's plans, to make up to 400 MHz of spectrum available for commercial use by 2028. We expect proposed rulemaking for the 2.7 GHz and 7 GHz bands to come soon and continue to believe the FCC could auction the spectrum as early as 2028. Additionally, the 4 GHz band is now being studied for full power commercial licensed use. And as the industry moves towards 6G, We expect a more balanced uplink and downlink network architecture, driven in part by AI applications sending more data from devices back into the network. Each major spectrum auction over the last two decades has been followed by a meaningful deployment cycle on our towers, and our priority is to be ready for the next one with the right sites, the right people, and the right processes to help our customers deploy quickly. While the timing of carrier activity will move around from quarter to quarter, the long-term direction is very exciting. We believe this spectrum will be the foundation of sustained organic leasing growth well into the next decade. Beyond our core customers, we see a real opportunity to expand our customer base to both satellite and edge providers. With regard to satellite providers, our view has not changed. Satellites are a complement to terrestrial wireless networks. This view is supported by a satellite provider's recent purchase of low band 800 megahertz spectrum, which is well suited for in-building coverage and enhanced capacity from the ground. We are confident that any provider looking to deliver ubiquitous, high quality mobile service, particularly in areas of heavy traffic, will need terrestrial infrastructure to do it. We believe our high quality portfolio and our experienced teams position us very well. In addition, we continue to make progress on edge compute initiatives. The explosive growth in AI is driving a migration toward a more distributed compute architecture, particularly for inference workloads that require low latency, storage capacity, and a general need to sit closer to the end user. The traditional data center industry is facing challenges around power availability, permitting, and long construction timelines. Our tower sites are well positioned to address many of these needs. We already have power, fiber, and security in place. Our sites are zoned, and in many cases they have existing shelters or ground space at the base of the tower that can be readily put to use. Through our SBA Edge entity, we offer access to the power and infrastructure needed so that AI customers can deploy quickly and efficiently. We have several Edge sites up and running with a handful of different companies building out distributed AI inference capacity. So far, the incremental capital remains minimal as these edge deployments use vacant space and excess power at our tower. It is still early and the immediate revenue contribution will be modest, but the economics are very attractive and the opportunity for much greater scale across our portfolio of US towers is real. These initial sites give us an early framework for bringing compute to our sites. I'm excited about the potential of this business and I look forward to updating you on our progress. Internationally, we continue to execute on the portfolio review we began in early 2024. Our objective has been clear from the start, to be a leading tower company in each market where we operate, to align ourselves with the leading wireless operators in those markets, and to improve the overall durability of our cash flows. During the third quarter, we agreed to sell approximately 1,800 sites in three South American markets, representing a complete exit from that region outside of Brazil. Those three markets represent approximately $43 million of annual leasing revenue and $20.5 million of annual adjusted EBITDA. Two markets have already closed, and we expect the remaining market to close by year end. This follows our exits from the Philippines and Colombia in early 2025 and from Canada last October. The steps we have taken allow us to have a more focused geographic concentration internationally. Our international strategy is focused on locking in long-term stable cash flow. Internationally, we also built 210 new towers in the third quarter, more than double the 99 we built last quarter, primarily in Central America and Africa. and we expect our bill program to remain at these levels over the coming quarters. Turning now to capital allocation, it was a busy quarter. Following our inaugural investment grade bond offering in July, which allowed us to fully repay our revolver and terminal, we resumed share repurchases and we did so in a meaningful way. Since our last earnings report, we have repurchased 1.7 million shares at an average price of $179.68 per share. for a total of $300 million. And as of today, we have $800 million remaining on our authorization. Our priority is to allocate capital where it will generate the highest risk adjusted return for our shareholders. And today, we believe our stock is a great value. With third quarter leverage at 6.4 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA, below the midpoint of our target range of six to seven times, We have the balance sheet capacity and cash on hand to opportunistically retire more shares. We believe in the strength of our business, our future growth potential, and our ability to execute, and we will continue to allocate capital where we believe it will create the most value for our shareholders over the long term. As I look ahead, I'm excited about where our industry is going. The networks being built today are only the beginning, and 6G is around the corner. Add to that the largest pipeline of new spectrum in many years, new networks being built to work alongside satellites, and AI workloads moving to the edge. SBA is well positioned for that future. We have a high quality portfolio, an investment grade balance sheet, a disciplined approach to capital allocation, and the best team in the industry. And finally, I'd like to thank our team members around the world. Their hard work and commitment are what allow us to pursue our vision to be our customers' first choice provider and the industry leader in quality infrastructure solutions. And they deliver on it every day. I'd also like to thank our customers for their continued trust and partnership and our shareholders for their ongoing support. With that, I will now turn it over to Marc to comment on the third quarter results and 2026 outlook.
Marc Montagner
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Brendan. Our third quarter results were in line with our expectation and if not for changes in FX and the sale of our operations in Chile and Ecuador, our full year 2026 outlook for site leasing revenue, tower cash flow and adjusted EBITDA would have been mostly unchanged. The sale of our towers in Chile and Ecuador reduced our full year outlook by approximately $10 million of site leasing revenue, $6 million of tower cash flow and $4 million of adjusted EBITDA. We're increasing the midpoint of 2026 guidance for FFO and FFO per share by $2 million and eight pennies respectively. Excluding both FX and the sales of our operation in Chile and Ecuador, the midpoint of FFO and FFO per share is up by $5 million and 11 pennies respectively. These increases in FFO and FFO per share are mostly driven by low net cash interest expenses and many more. Our outlook does not yet include an impact from the pending sales of our tower in Peru, which remains subject to regulatory approval and is expected to close in the fourth quarter. In the third quarter, we continue to operate efficiently, controlling the rent costs and achieving company-wide tower cash flow margins of 80% and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 69%. The FFO per share was $3.19 and we paid a cash dividend of $1.25 per share. Operationally, we added approximately $8 million of domestic new lease and amendment billings in the quarter. Spring related churn was $16 million in the quarter and we continue to expect $55 to $56 million for the full year. who expects free churn in 2027 to be less than $20 million. EcoStar related churn was $14 million in the third quarter and we expect $56 million for the full year 2026. Internationally, we added approximately $5 million of new lease and amendment billings in a quarter. We are seeing healthy leasing demand broadly across our international portfolio. The midpoint of our fully outlook for international return remains at $38 million as carriers work through consolidation, restructuring, and network personalizations. We expect international return to remain elevated in 2027, but to begin to normalize in 2028 when the impact of carrier consolidation is behind us. Turning to investing activities, During the third quarter, we built 213 towers and we spent $108 million to acquire seven sites. We also spent $13.7 million to purchase land, easement, and extend ground lease terms. Total cash expenditure for the quarter was $105.2 million, of which 14.1 was non-discretionary. Moving to the balance sheet, I'm very pleased with the progress we have made as an investment-grade company. In July, we issued an inaugural $3.5 billion investment-grade bonds. In addition, on September 25th, we established a $2.5 billion commercial paper program. This program gave us another flexible, low-cost source of short-term liquidity. As of today, we have no amount outstanding under either our revolver or the commercial paper program. As we approach the maturity date on our $1.165 billion ABS Tower security, we anticipate a complete refinancing of those securities at an estimated rate of 5.25% in the coming days. Our access to capital remains very robust, and we will continue to look at ways to reduce our overall cost of debt. Our 2026 outlook does not include the impact of any additional share repurchase, beyond those completed to the date of this call. During the third quarter, we declared to pay a cash dividend of $131.3 million for $1.25 per share. For our third quarter share buyback and dividend payout, we returned approximately $430 million of capital to our shareholders. And today, we announced that our board of directors declare a quarterly dividend of $1.25 per share, payable on December 10, 2026, to shareholders of record as of the close of business on November 12th, 2026. This dividend represents an increase of approximately 13% over the dividend pay in the prior year period and an annualized rate of approximately 41% of the midpoint of our full year FFO per share outlook. Let me now turn the call over to the operators for Q&A.
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Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. If you'd like to ask a question, please dial pound two on your telephone keypad now. We'll announce your name and you will hear that your line is unmuted when it's your turn to speak. And again, dialing pound two will place you in the question queue. All right, let's go to our first caller, Rick Prentice with Raymond James.
Rick Prentiss
Analyst, Raymond James
Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, everybody.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Hey, Rick.
Rick Prentiss
Analyst, Raymond James
Hey, a couple questions if I could. Obviously, Neverdoll and Towerland. Rumors today of could there be a SpaceX and a Dish MVNO. Walk us through a little bit about what your thoughts as far as what the future might hold. And I got to admit, universe of one here, I have a hard time imagining an MVNO only strategy. and wanting to achieve 60, 70% EBITDA margins. But just help us kind of unpack what you think might be happening there.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, well, first, before I do that, Rick, let me just say I think this is your last earnings call, and you've probably been on every earnings call that SBA's had over the last 28 years or so. So we're going to miss you, and thank you for all of your service over the many years. We've enjoyed working together. So to your question on SpaceX and DISH, I mean, obviously, I have no specific intel or insight into exactly what they may or may not be doing. So it's not really my place to comment on that. You should look to those parties to comment. I think if there's truth to it, I think what's good from our perspective is that it is an indicator Another indicator, another data point that suggests the necessity of terrestrial components of any network that's going to be put out there to provide mobile coverage and that we feel like is ultimately going to be a good thing for us if that's the way that it goes. And that's our belief on what would be necessary for anybody that would look to provide that kind of coverage. So beyond that, it's hard for me to say, you know, what they're specifically. I don't know what the plans are and whether there's any truth to that or not, but I would say ask those parties for their comments.
Rick Prentiss
Analyst, Raymond James
Sure. It's actually hard for me also to envision what bad news for anything that SpaceX might be doing here. One other question related. We keep getting questions of the potential of DISH former sites. Can you let us know how many DISH sites you had actually gotten on air? And if, as we call it, the equipment formerly known as DISH, is that still on your towers? And if so, has it been abandoned and do you guys in essence own it?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, we had approximately 3,000 leases that were on air with DISH. And in terms of the equipment, it's basically been abandoned, and we do own it as we terminated those leases as part of the bankruptcy litigation. So it's there, and it's in our control at this point.
Rick Prentiss
Analyst, Raymond James
Great. And one final one for me. Any thought on the litigation and the arbitration process? And does it feel like we might be getting close to something? It feels like maybe the industry is getting closer to understanding how that escrow might be divvied up. But it's complicated, I get it. Just wondering any updated timeline or thoughts on that?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, it's getting complicated. I mean, I guess every day that goes by, we're a little closer to some resolution. You know, at this stage, we're in a stage of mediation. I think that's pretty well known as an industry group. And, you know, that's the process. We'll see how it shakes out and whether I can't guess exactly where that's going to end up. But, you know, it does allow for at least a dialogue to take place. And we'll see, you know, what the results of that are. But, yeah. It's a little premature at this point, Rick, to say what might or might not happen.
Rick Prentiss
Analyst, Raymond James
Great. Well, certainly never dull. My last one with you guys was certainly no different there. But I appreciate working with you guys all the years as well. Thanks. Thanks, Brendan.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Absolutely. Thanks, Rick.
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Okay. Moving on to our next caller, Batya Levy, UBS.
Batya Levy
Analyst, UBS
Great. Thank you. Can you provide a little bit more color on the application volume that you're seeing from the carriers and if there's any indication that there could be an inflection in activity into next year? And maybe just a little bit more on your conversations with SpaceX. Would you characterize them as they have picked up more recently and to the extent that you have some look into what they might be looking to do. How quickly do you think the tower companies could benefit from that? Thank you.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, on the application volume with the carriers, it's been, I guess the way I characterize it is that each of the carriers are in a little bit of a different phase, and sometimes that happens where certain ones are perhaps more active than others, and that's kind of the environment that we're in right now. We have one that's been particularly active with us and one that's been modestly slow and one that's been really slow. And so the application volumes kind of track that as well. So on an overall basis, our application volumes are, I'd say, relatively the same on average as they've been for the last couple of years. but the mix in terms of the makeup is a little bit different and so we'll have to see how that continues to develop as we go into next year and obviously it's a little premature to talk about next year's numbers. I think next call we'll be able to tell you exactly what we're thinking about that. On the SpaceX piece, I can't really comment on any specific conversations that we have other than just to say that We have conversations with anybody that has an interest or use for the infrastructure that we offer and the services that we offer. And you should expect that we talk to all parties that are interested in that. And that's what we will continue to do. I mean, timing, I would kind of refer you to their comments about what they're thinking about in terms of timeline to build networks if they plan to go that route as a guide. But, you know, I can't really say at this stage. and what the timeframe would be. Obviously, if anything ever really happened, at that point, we'd have something to talk about that's tangible.
Batya Levy
Analyst, UBS
Got it. Thank you.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks.
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Okay, let's move on to Richard Cho, JP Morgan.
Richard Choe
Analyst, J.P. Morgan
I'll say Rick is the universe of one for tower coverage, so it's sad to see him go. Just following up though, Given where we are with DISH and the process, is there any way that another entity could back into leases or the equipment or adjustments that they the rights they had or would it just is it better to assume that it's just going to be a new negotiation with new priorities and new types of equipment and then You know, it seems like we're in an extended period where there's been a lot of spectrum and efficiency on technology. But, you know, in the past, given the long history of towers and wireless technology, you know, do you expect that to kind of pass at some point and this to pick up? And it seems like it's pretty long in the suit in that sense.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I'm sorry, Richard, on your second question there, you're talking about specific technology development.
Richard Choe
Analyst, J.P. Morgan
Just where we are today with 5G and have we seen this before? Have we gone through this before? And do you think it's different this time versus each other with 3G and 4G? There were kind of pauses and whatnot.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. So I'll take that one first because we asked for clarification and I'll go back to the other one on this. There is an overarching generational technology rollout. They tend to follow similar patterns. And I think that this isn't materially different in that regard. But each one has nuances that make them a little bit different. And I think with 5G, some of the development of the applications and the timing of their availability and uptake by the end subscriber has perhaps been a little bit different than it was with 4G, for instance. And as a result, the behaviors of the carriers around the deployment of those networks have perhaps shifted a little bit. But overall, the same dynamics exist. You kind of have an early significant rush to kind of go out and overlay and many more. and other factors in terms of even cost of capital sometimes have an impact on the timing of deployments, but the general gist from a technology standpoint is the same. In the case of the dish question and what could or couldn't happen, at this stage, it's hard to say for sure what might happen, but the equipment, as I said earlier, is now ours and within our control. and so anybody that wants to use that would obviously have to deal with us on that and the existing lease agreements wouldn't necessarily apply to a new party that would come in so that would have to be just a separate discussion if somebody wanted to use it and we have many parties that have expressed interest actually in that equipment so we feel like there may be some opportunity but we'll see. In terms of other rights that may exist around stuff that DISH had. I can't really speak to that. That would be between the other parties and DISH. And obviously they're in the middle of a bankruptcy proceeding as well. So I'm sure that would complicate discussions too. So a lot remains to be seen, but I'm sure over time we'll see these things work out in one way or another.
Richard Choe
Analyst, J.P. Morgan
Great. Thank you.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure.
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Moving on to Nick DelDale from Moffitt Nathanson.
Nick Del Deo
Analyst, MoffettNathanson
Thanks for taking my questions. First, with respect to the edge computing opportunity you talked about, Brendan, can you share what sort of experiences you've had with the utility companies when you go to them asking for power augmentation to a site?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, it's still somewhat early days for all this stuff, Nick. And in many cases, what we've had available at the sites where we've done these smaller edge computing facilities has been adequate already. So we haven't always had to go back to the utilities, but in cases where we have, it's been, we've gone through kind of a normal process that we would go through at any stage when building a new tower, for instance, and we're trying to bring power there. It's really not been materially different than that. So I wouldn't say there's anything that stands out. It's just the typical process of applying for the incremental power needs at a site and going through the steps that that particular utility requires. So Nothing really to call out that's any different than what we usually do.
Nick Del Deo
Analyst, MoffettNathanson
Okay, okay. And to confirm, to the extent that you're supplying power to these customers or they're planning, call it a couple hundred kilowatts, is that the sort of magnitude you're dealing with?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Typically, yeah. Typically, I would say it's 200 to 300 kilowatts roughly, but we have some Facilities that are a megawatt or even slightly more. So most of them, though, will be in the range that the two to three hundred kilowatt range.
Nick Del Deo
Analyst, MoffettNathanson
OK, OK, great. And then maybe switching to U.S. churn, you know, obviously your underlying churn is much lower than your headline churn. I think it's about one point four percent if we take out Sprint and Echo Star. You know, if we look at, you know, your peers, they're probably around one percent churn. should we expect to see your churn kind of converge that level or are there reasons why we should expect your churn to remain different from what others are saying?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I think that that's a reasonable expectation. When I look at the detail and I get all the details of churn, as you might imagine, and obviously we have the two big ones that kind of distort things right now, but the rest of it, it really is a list of cats and dogs. I mean, there is all kinds of Small stuff that's going on there. Most of it is not related to our core big customers. There's occasionally some here or there. We do have some U.S. cellular T-Mobile overlap, for instance, that's in our churn right now that started. So, you know, there's some of those things. But I think over time, I would expect to see that start to really fall off because there's really only so much of it. so many of those customers that exist and there's not even that many of those smaller carriers that have some level of overlap that's existed in the past that remains. So I would expect somewhere in the 1% range to be a normalized level after we get through these bigger sprint and dish numbers.
Nick Del Deo
Analyst, MoffettNathanson
Okay, great. Thanks, Brendan.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure.
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Okay, let's move on to Michael Rollins from Citi.
Michael Rollins
Analyst, Citi
Thanks, and good afternoon. I had just a few follow-ups. Hey, thanks so much for taking the question. So the first is, I was just thinking about your answer earlier about, I think you said about 3,000 sites, you know, with DISH before they stopped. And I think you mentioned it was about $56 million of annualized rent, so just in very rough terms. It's a little under $1,600 a month, you know, recognizing there's probably some rounding and stuff in there. But just curious, like, you know, is that the right kind of zip code for that number? And how do you think about rent for new co-location? You know, whether it's for, with respect to that number, like whether it's, you know, Should rents for new colo from the big three carriers typically trend significantly above that? Are there reasons for that? And if you have a new entrant coming in, do you get like a new entrant discount? So, you know, we should expect it being more like 1600 over there, like, you know, specific circumstances that drove the rent to where it was. And I have a couple other thoughts that I could afterwards.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. There's a variety of factors that go into setting the rents. One of the biggest ones is what are they actually doing? What's the usage at the tower sites? As you might imagine, when it comes to DISH, when they were doing their deployments, they were materially less in terms of the capacity of the towers that they were taking up, the size, weight, surface area, all that at the tower site and even on the ground was much, much smaller. Thank you for joining us. The way that the agreement is negotiated also matters. There's other terms that can have an impact as well. And some of those, I mean, for instance, you know, we have an MLA with AT&T that we signed a few years ago. Well, the structure of that was very different and certain things were prioritized both by AT&T and by SBA that resulted in a structure and a price point that was different than might have happened at a different point in time. And so, you know, in the case of DISH, when we negotiated our agreement with them, Certain minimum commitments that they might have made affected pricing. Certain terms that they agreed to, volume commitments, those sorts of things all have an impact. And I would expect with anybody that we negotiate with on a master agreement type of level, there's some modest trade-off of volume minimum commitments for price. There's so many factors that go into it that it's hard to say. But the basic one is the first one I mentioned. What are they actually using at the site? How much capacity are they taking up? And that's probably the biggest one in terms of having an impact. Really helpful.
Michael Rollins
Analyst, Citi
And just the second question is just given where SBA is in terms of just the relative maturation of the business, when you look at the amount of annual discretionary cash flow, or AFFO that you generate, do you think that your company is in a better position to maximize shareholder value in the public markets? Or do you see a case where value maximization over time could be better in the private markets?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Well, that sounds like a trick question, Mike. I think that, you know, depending on a moment in time, valuations Sometimes vary between public and private markets. And all I can tell you is that when we look at private assets in the US specifically today, and granted, they're smaller, and so perhaps can be more competitively bid after, the valuations are much, much higher than where SBA and the other public companies for that matter, are valued. But there was a time in our history here where I remember it being the opposite as well. I think all of that is a little bit of trying to guess at a point in time. It doesn't really matter. We are a public company. We have the balance sheet that we have. It provides us plenty of flexibility. We do produce a lot of AFFO, so we have a lot of capital to put to work into the company. And I think it provides us the opportunity to use that capital effectively to create value for our shareholders. Some by returning it directly to shareholders, as we did this past quarter. and in other cases by investing it into incremental assets that we think are going to drive outsized returns by being smart about how we allocate that capital. So I think there's plenty of opportunity for us ahead and I look forward to continuing to run this business in a way that generates a lot of returns for our shareholders. Thanks very much. Sure.
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Moving on to Brendan Lynch from Barclays.
Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays
Great, thanks for taking my questions. Wanted to touch on international markets. So you've exited everything in South America other than Brazil. Can you discuss your appetite for maintaining your exposure in Africa and what the primary differences you see are in the African markets versus the South American markets that you've exited?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, well, for Just in terms of SBA-specific portfolio, we were much lower scale in the Andean markets that we just announced our exit from than we are in the two African markets where we operate. So we definitely have a greater scale in those two African markets. That's one difference. The returns in both South Africa and Tanzania have been very, very strong for us. The return on invested capital is frankly the highest in the company outside of the U.S. And really that's only because the U.S. has a much longer standing history and much lower entry point back at the beginning. But it even rivals that in terms of incremental investments today. It's actually been better. So, you know, as long as we see our way clear to having a meaningful position in the markets where we're operating, and we have relationships with the top carriers in those markets where we can feel comfortable in their future and their viability going forward and we can generate strong returns. We're happy to continue to operate and invest in those markets and particularly in Tanzania, you probably can see in our numbers that we built a lot of sites there This past quarter and really this year to date, and we continue to invest there because we see great opportunity. So there's some differences on an individual market basis, but also on the existing portfolios that we have in those markets.
Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays
Great. Thanks. That's helpful. And you mentioned international churn should remain elevated in 27 and then kind of normalize in 2028. Looking back over the past couple of years, it was around 5 to 7 percent. So maybe just help us think about what is a normal churn. Thank you for joining us. We'll be right back.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
is that there's still a level of immaturity that exists in those markets. And there's still some level of rationalization, I think, with smaller carriers and so forth that's taking place. And that has to kind of work through the system. So that's the only reason I think it would be a little higher than the normalized US churn. But that's the number I'd circle. Okay, thanks.
Brendan Lynch
Analyst, Barclays
That's helpful. And then maybe just one other one on edge. Can you give us some sense of how you think The pace of edge deployments might scale and maybe a little bit on the nature of the companies that are doing trials. Are these startups or hyperscalers, neoclouds, et cetera?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I think we will see a very steady level of growth there. I think, as we mentioned in our prepared comments, the contributions, the financial contributions at this stage are relatively modest and probably will be. for the near term, but I think the pace of growth will be at a healthy pace. The types of customers that we're seeing, there's a mix of startups. I would say Neoclouds are probably the primary users that would be interested in types of facilities that we have, because what we're really talking about here is the same kind of provisioning of compute power for, in particular, AI inferencing applications The value of this is that it's able to get on air and available faster because of the distributed structure of it, where power behind the meter power is available more quickly. And while it's much smaller, tinier chunks, the accumulation of those and the fact that you can do it quicker can get you to meaningful contributions. And there's a lot of demand for that today. So I think who the end users are, who the customers are. We have several different companies that we're engaged with today. I think that will continue to evolve over time and it'll become clearer who's kind of doing the best with that and they'll start to have a bigger presence with companies like us as we help them roll it out. Great. Thank you, Brendan. Sure.
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All right, let's move on to Cameron McVey, Morgan Stanley.
Cameron McVey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Hi, thank you. Marc, I was just curious how we should think about the margin expansion opportunity over the next few years. You're buying land and ground leases, and your competitors have outlined a target for something of 200 to 300 basis points of expansion by 2030. So just curious how you're framing the opportunity and what the puts and takes might be. Thanks.
Marc Montagner
Chief Financial Officer
Well, I think we have been doing land buyout for probably 15 years now, and I think we have been very aggressive earlier than our competitors. It's a way to de-risk our business going forward, but also, given the multiple arbitrage, a way to increase margins over time. So you should expect us to keep doing this, both in the U.S. and internationally.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, and I think that actually applies generally, not just on the land buyouts, but our overhead base, our cost base, we've actually been a leader in our industry with regards to those items. And that's good. And I think there's a lot of attention being paid to it by our peers, which is fine. But I think what that means is they have a little more opportunity to squeeze some of that out. Thank you for joining us.
Cameron McVey
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
I'm curious how you think about the hurdle rate for buybacks versus some of the acquisitions you build, debt reduction. Thanks.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I think we did a large amount of buybacks this quarter. I would expect us to continue to be a meaningful share repurchaser. But really, in many ways, it's opportunistic in terms of where we're valued relative to alternative uses of capital. And we have... Historically, always had a mix of investing in assets as well as doing buybacks, and I think you'll continue to see that going forward. If our valuation remains under pressure as it's been relative to the value of assets I mentioned earlier in response to a different question about the high valuations of assets, particularly here in the U.S., I mean, if that dynamic remains, I would expect we'll do more buybacks than we will do buybacks. New Asset Purchases. But ideally, we'd like to do a mix of both. And we're going to have to just work harder to kind of find those selective opportunities we feel good about in terms of new assets. But, you know, it's really a comparative analysis.
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Okay. Let's go ahead and move. Let's move on to Eric Lubchow, Wells Fargo.
Eric Luebchow
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Thanks for taking the question. Brendan, you talked a lot about all the new spectrum that's coming to market, but I think some people still have questions around the timeline of when you'll see activity on the tower sides between AT&T 600, T-Mobile, C-band, and then the new auction spectrum that's coming, starting with upper C-band next year. So when do you think we'll start to see that activity on the sites? Do you think it could come as early as 2028, sooner than that, or will it be pushed a little further out?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Well, I think that certain bands, we will start to see some activity in all likelihood in 2028. I mean, it's hard to say for sure, but for instance, if you took the first upcoming auction that's ahead of us, which is the Upper Seaband, that's going to take place and be completed by middle of next year. Obviously, there's a whole process to clear that spectrum, but what we've seen in the past is some level of activity that actually runs ahead of that clearance process in order to be ready so that at the time that it's cleared, and I think there will be an effort to accelerate that clearance, by the way, that leads to some level of activity around our sites that happens earlier. So I'm hoping that we can see that by sometime in 2028. In terms of the spectrum, though, that's already in the hands of some of the parties like the 600 MHz that AT&T has or the C-band that T-Mobile has, I expect that we'll definitely start to see those before that time frame. Hopefully, some of that we'll start to see next year. It's hard for me to say for sure. You'd have to ask the carriers, but I know AT&T has been vocal about starting to get out there and roll out their 600 MHz. Its impact on us will have to be seen. We obviously have an MLA that's will have some level of restriction on how much we see out of that. But that MLA is up in about a year and a half. So I think in some ways, the longer it takes, maybe the better from our perspective.
Eric Luebchow
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Great. And just one final one for me. So you talked about handling the billion one debt maturity in the next couple of days at a five and a quarter rate. As we look at maturities for Thank you. Sure. Yeah, there's definitely a number of instruments that are coming up soon in terms of the types of instruments we would use to refinance it.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
in most cases would not be like for like because a number of those maturities are ABS securities. And with the shift to investment grade, you will see a little bit more of a shift towards unsecured debt. And obviously, those are secured instrument securities that will be maturing in many cases. And so with those, they will likely be replaced with some sort of unsecured instrument. we do have an unsecured senior note that is maturing in the first part of next year during the first quarter so that would be replaced with a similar unsecured senior note I would expect although again it would be IG rated and instead of the high yield instrument that it was before you know we look at other potential securities that might work too they would all likely be Unsecured Instruments, for instance, perhaps an unsecured term loan A is something that we're looking at as well. Really what we're dealing with here is not so much what instrument to use, it's really the timing. And we're trying to manage this as finely as we can because obviously rates are elevated. It's not a certainty as to when that might change or if it will change. But if we can... Go a little bit shorter dated in terms of the tenor of these instruments and give ourselves an opportunity to perhaps catch a better window on refinancing. That's something that we ideally would like to do, but you can never be perfect in timing the market. And so we'll probably have some winners and some losers in there on the timing. But in any case, we have plenty of access to capital and we feel very good about refinancing. We'll just try to manage it as efficiently as we can.
Eric Luebchow
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Thanks, Brendan.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure.
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Next caller is David Barden from New Street Research.
David Barden
Analyst, New Street Research
Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking the questions. Appreciate it. Brendan, you know, we've talked a lot about the auction spectrum that's coming up. There's actually quite a bit of spectrum that's held in private hands that's coming up. with build-out requirements that really start in the 2027 to 2029 timeframe. Specifically, I'm thinking about the 600 megahertz and the 3.45 gigahertz. Have you seen conversations happening around those bands, people entertaining Those possibilities of coming in as strategics and taking advantage of that opportunity. And then in an adjacent question, similarly in the 900 megahertz, it's a little bit more speculative, but there's also a lot working there as well. So, you know, kind of augmenting the entire spectrum buildup picture, there are a lot of other places too. I'm just wondering what, if anything, you're seeing there. Thank you.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah. I can't say too much about that, David, but I will say that with some of those spectrum bands, we have been seeing some applications around those, but I don't know if there's enough there to point to as a holistic deployment yet. So I guess I'll be able to come back to you more on that as we get a little bit down the line. and then there are some of the bands that you mentioned that we haven't really seen anything to date. So I would imagine that some of those parties are thinking about what their next steps are with regard to it. It's hard for me, and this is just me speculating, I really have no idea for sure with any of these folks, but my belief is that it's hard to imagine that some of the parties would actually have any interest in actually building out and many more.
David Barden
Analyst, New Street Research
and then it gets built out.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
That's the important part, right? Is that eventually that environment is very good for us because whether it's those parties or somebody else and maybe better somebody else who's actually serious about it, it's a good dynamic for us to have because it will get built out.
David Barden
Analyst, New Street Research
And so I just wanted to follow up, Brendan, on a question I asked a couple quarters ago, which was in response to the decisions that DISH had made regarding its leases, why a company like SBA wouldn't have sent out an army of engineers to go snip wires and start ripping down gear. And at the time you said, well, you don't know what we're doing. And so now that you own whatever's left of whatever this is, could you tell us what have you done and what is left?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Most of the sites still have the equipment left at them, David, but there's nothing being broadcast through that equipment. So it's actually there and to the extent that it is useful to another party that would find it helpful in their own deployments. And as I said, there are several that have actually contacted us in that regard. It's available, and it's something that we obviously can work through a discussion on how that would work. Appreciate it. Thank you, Brendan. You're welcome.
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Okay, and our final question from Matt Nicknam, Truist.
Matt Niknam
Analyst, Truist
Matt? Yes. Brendan, can you hear me?
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, I can hear you.
Matt Niknam
Analyst, Truist
Go ahead. Okay, great, great. So my question is more around the strategic review. So I know this was initiated a while back. Is the strategic review process largely done? Are there other regions or businesses you'd consider exiting? Or are there other initiatives you'd look to target across the business? Thanks.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I mean, the strategic review has tended to kind of become A name for international divestitures, but that's not really what it is. That's just one component. It was really a review of all aspects of our business, which is what I think you're alluding to. It wasn't just international markets. It was other smaller business lines that we're in and other things that we're doing. We don't necessarily come out and talk about all of that on our earnings call, but we're looking at a wholesale review of everything that we do. We have been over the last several years. I wouldn't say it's done, but we've made a lot of progress. And so as we've gone through and checked things off, I would say there's certainly less to do. As it relates to the international markets, we've clearly exited a number of markets. We also, as part of that, made the decision to expand meaningfully in Central America. And we did that through the Millicom acquisition. That was really part of it as well. So the decisions were not all about shrinking. They were also, in some cases, about investing more. We continue to look at a couple of other things that we're involved with as well, and we'll see what the end result is. Sometimes it's not just about the decision that's made. The steps to actually kind of effectuate that decision can take some time, as you've seen, and so we'll continue to take the steps that we're taking, but I feel good about the direction that we've gone and our ability to now focus and prioritize the things that we think are going to be the most value-creative for our shareholders.
Matt Niknam
Analyst, Truist
Appreciate it, thank you so much.
Brendan Cavanagh
President and Chief Executive Officer
Sure, no problem. Thank you all for joining the call and we look forward to reporting our year-end results next year.
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