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Sound Point Meridian Capital, Inc. Q2 F2027 Earnings Call Transcript

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Operator
Conference Call Operator
Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the SoundPoint Meridian Capital, Inc. first fiscal quarter ended June 30th, 2026 earnings conference call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star one again. I will now hand the conference over to Julie Smith, head of investor relations. Julie, please go ahead.
Julie Smith
Head of Investor Relations
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Sound Point Meridian Capital refers participants on this call to the investor webpage at www.soundpointmeridiancap.com for the press release, investor information and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and for a discussion of the risks that can affect the business. Sound Point Meridian Capital specifically refers participants to the presentation furnished today on the Form 8K with the SEC. and to remind listeners that some of the comments today may contain forward-looking statements and as such will be subject to risks and uncertainties which, if they materialize, could materially affect results. References made to the section titled Forward-Looking Statements in the Company's Earnings Press Release for the Latest Quarter End, which is incorporated herein by reference. We note forward-looking statements, whether written or oral, include but are not limited to SoundPoint Meridian Capital's expectation or prediction of financial and business performance and conditions, as well as its competitive and industry outlook. Forward-looking statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions which, if they materialize, could materially affect results. And such forward-looking statements do not guarantee performance, and SoundPoint Meridian Capital gives no such assurances. Sound Point Meridian Capital is under no obligation and expressly disclaims any obligation to update, alter, or otherwise revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, except as required by law. In addition, historical data pertaining to the operating results and other performance indicators applicable to Sound Point Meridian Capital are not necessarily indicative of results to be achieved in succeeding periods. I will now turn the call over to Ujjaval Desai, Chief Executive Officer of SoundPoint Meridian Capital.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Thank you to everyone joining us today and welcome to the SoundPoint Meridian Capital earnings call for the second fiscal quarter ended September 30th, 2026. We'd like to invite you to download our investor presentation from our website, which provides additional information about the company and our portfolio. With me today is our Chief Financial Officer, Dan Fabian, and after our prepared remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. For the second fiscal quarter ended September 30th, 2026, we generated net investment income or NII of $5.8 million or 28 cents per share and paid distributions of 60 cents per share during the quarter. Despite the successful refinancing of CLO transactions in the portfolio over the past quarter, NII remained below common distributions due to spread tightening and higher model loss reserves for AI impacted software loans within our CLO collateral portfolios. Net asset value or NAV per share ended the quarter at $9.09 down from $9.88 as of June 30th. The NAV decrease was primarily driven by net realized losses and distributions paid in excess of NII partially offset by net unrealized appreciation. Our portfolio remains highly diversified with investments across 113 CLOs managed by 32 different managers, providing exposure to over 1,500 underlying loans spanning more than 30 industries on a look-through basis. In an environment characterized by increasing dispersion across sectors, we believe this level of diversification remains an important component of our risk management approach. Subsequent to quarter end, we announced monthly distributions for calendar Q1, 2027 of 13 cents per share, unchanged from our previously announced Q4 2026 monthly distributions. SoundPoint, as the advisor for SPMC, agreed to a temporary base management and incentive fee waiver for the six-month period beginning July 1, 2026 and ending on December 31, 2026. During this period, the fee waiver will reduce the annual base management fee from 1.75% to 1.5% and will reduce the annual incentive fee from 20% to 15% of pre-incentive net investment income. The advisor proposed this fee waiver to help reduce the expense burden on the company while we work to increase our income through loan spread improvement, refinancing of our liabilities, and active trading of our investments. I'll now turn the call over to Dan for a more detailed review of our financial highlights for the quarter before I share thoughts on the overall market.
Dan Fabian
Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Ujjaval, and welcome, everyone. As Ujjaval mentioned, for the quarter ended September 30th, 2026, we delivered net investment income of $5.8 million, or 28 cents per share. During the quarter, we purchased 10 equity investments in the secondary market with a cost of $24.1 million and a weighted average yield of 19.1%. We purchased one CLO debt investment in the secondary market with a cost of $2.2 million and an all-in rate of 11.23%. In addition, we sold seven equity investments, generating $26.2 million in cash proceeds. We invested an additional $4.4 million in resets of existing portfolio investments. We refinanced the liabilities of 10 CLO equity investments, resulting in the weighted average debt cost savings of 28 basis points. For the quarter ended September 30th, 2026, we recorded a net realized loss of $13.5 million and an unrealized gain on investments of $3.6 million. Total expenses during the quarter was $7 million. The gap net loss for the quarter was $4.1 million, or net loss of 19 cents per share. Moving to our balance sheet, as of September 30th, 2026, total assets were $360.4 million. Net assets were $192.5 million, and our net asset value stood at $9.09 per share. The fair value of our investment portfolio stood at $355.5 million, while available liquidity consisting of cash was approximately $4.5 million at the end of the quarter. As of September 30th, 2026, the company's leverage ratio was 46.2%. During the quarter, we declared monthly cash distributions of 13 cents per share, payable at the end of October, November and December. Based on our share price as of September 30th, 2026, this represents an annualized distribution rate of 18.55%. As of October 31st, 2026, our estimated range of the nest asset value per common share was between $8.41 and $8.51. I'll now turn it back to Ujjaval.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Dan. Before we move into Q&A, I wanted to take a moment to touch on the recent market backdrop for corporate loans and CLO equity. The third quarter was another volatile one for U.S. credit markets. The conflict with Iran, persistent inflation, a spike in treasury yields, and ongoing uncertainty around AI all weighed on sentiment, but investors continued to add risk, even as the Fed raised rates in September for the first time in more than three years. Higher base rates drove most of the return for the quarter, resulting in 2% gains for leveraged loans, their strongest since Q2 2025. Leveraged loan primary market activity totaled about $195 billion, the lightest quarter of the year thus far. That slowdown came almost entirely from fewer repricings and amendments, while new issue volume held steady. M&A did pick up late in the quarter. September brought $30.6 billion of LBO and M&A-related loan volume, the busiest month for that category since January 2022. Generally speaking, investors gravitated towards defensive sectors and higher rated credits and grew more cautious on B-minus borrowers given the higher rate environment. Market technicals were strong this quarter. Investor demand for loans rose to $47.5 billion, up 38% from the second quarter, driven mostly by a rebound in CLO issuance. At the same time, net new loan supply dropped to just $8.5 billion, leaving the market about $39 billion short. The flip side for buyers was tighter loan spreads, and because new supply skewed toward higher-rated loans, CLO arbitrage was further squeezed. We also saw credit quality continue to bifurcate. Lower-rated borrowers stepped up refinancing ahead of the 2028 maturity wall, pushing refinancing volume to a four-quarter high of $52.1 billion. but it came at a higher cost. Roughly a third of those refinancings came from B-minus borrowers and their new issue spreads averaged around SOFR plus 413 basis points. Meanwhile, software loans clawed back some of their earlier losses during the quarter, though the sector's share of new issuance stayed near decade lows. Turning to CLOs, issuance rebounded to $45.8 billion across 99 deals, up 37% from the second quarter. which had been the weakest in three years. Refinancing and reset activity was nearly double the new issue volume at $85.3 billion. However, the challenge remains on the equity side. With portfolio spreads at their tightest of the CLO 2.0 era, median quarterly equity distributions fell to 2.4%, a six-year low. Looking ahead, we think conditions for CLO issuance look constructive heading into the fourth quarter. where credit markets go from here will likely depend on the macro backdrop and a continued recovery in investor demand. With that, we thank you for your time and we'll now open the call to any questions. Operator?
Operator
Conference Call Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We do ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality, and if you're muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by now while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question is coming from Timothy D'Agostino with B. Riley Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Timothy D'Agostino
Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Yeah, hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. On slide 15, you lay out the senior securities related to indebtedness and equity at 217%. I guess looking at October numbers, it implies around 209%. So I guess as we look at the 200% to be in accordance, above 200% to be in accordance with 18H under the F40 Act, I guess, could you provide some color there in how you plan to address that? and any commentary on that number would be helpful. Thank you.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Tim. Yes, you're right. The leverage ratio is close to 17 at the end of September. And, you know, the NAV has dropped a bit in October. So that number has come down a little bit as well. Obviously, we are quite focused on the 200%. And, you know, our portfolios, as you know, our liabilities consist of a senior financing facility Bank Facility, which is $50 million. And then we have the prep shares below that. As we trade our portfolio, as we receive paydowns, as we reset and refinance our liabilities, we have flexibility to continue to repay that senior facility as needed to try to stay within compliance of this particular ratio. So we're certainly quite focused on it. but we have a number of tools to manage our leverage ratio.
Timothy D'Agostino
Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Okay, that's a helpful comment.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Obviously it depends on the NAV of the portfolio which is very market dependent. So we have to see where the market goes from here but certainly we're able to manage that to a certain extent by managing our portfolio more actively which we do all the time.
Timothy D'Agostino
Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Okay, that's helpful. And I guess as I think about, you know, going forward and, you know, the idea of sharing purchases, is that something you would consider in the future? Or does that leverage ratio kind of constrain your ability? Just trying to understand how you're thinking about that as a potential lever you can pull in the future as the stock dips below NAV. Thank you.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, and obviously that's something we continue to evaluate all the time. And that's certainly an option that's available. But the leverage ratio is quite critical. We want to make sure that we continue to pass that as long as we can. And I think share repurchases will certainly increase the leverage. So we have to be mindful around that as well. Despite how cheap the share price is, we're going to have to balance all that. So that's something we consider, and we'll keep all options open as we see how the market develops going forward.
Timothy D'Agostino
Analyst, B. Riley Securities
Okay, thank you. Yeah, that all makes sense. I appreciate you taking the questions this morning.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Of course. Thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Mickey Schleen with Clear Street. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Mickey Schlein
Analyst, Clear Street
Yes, good morning, everyone. I wanted to start with a high-level question. As you indicated, broadly syndicated loan spreads have compressed a lot over the years and more quickly than CLO liability spreads. And so the economics of CLO equity have deteriorated a lot, you know, if we look broadly over the last several years. Do you believe we're approaching a cyclical sort of bottom in CLO equity returns? or has something fundamentally changed in the market that could keep returns depressed for an extended period?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question, Mickey. You're 100 percent right. Over the last 18 months or so, loan spreads have compressed significantly. We're looking at loan spreads now pretty much at both financial crisis types, you know, sort of 300 basis points or so far. and I think that is one of the main reasons why CLO equity performance has been, you know, quite bad over the last, that same time period of 18 months. I think what we're seeing right now is, you know, with the, you know, well, let's talk about the loan market right now, first of all. We're seeing, you know, new issuance of loans coming in at wider spreads. A lot of it is driven by the AI sector, and those loans are coming much wider. You're also seeing existing borrowers extend their maturities, and that also is being done at a higher spread. So all that is improving the spread dynamic in the loan market. also the share of loans trading above par is very small right now, around 10, 15% of the market. So the refinance, the repricing activity in the low market, that is basically stopped right now. So we feel that all else equal, there is certainly scope for loan spreads to improve from here. And in fact, we've seen some of that already. So the 300 basis points we feel is kind of you know, an inflection point. And, you know, if the market stays where it is right now, we expect at this point to start to see some improvement in the loan spreads in the market. So that certainly will be helpful to increasing the income component of CLO equity. So again, in terms of what drives CLO equity markets, you've got two components, income and principal. The income component is what I talked about, and we feel that current market conditions will hopefully improve that income component going forward. We're also increasing the income in Cielo Equity by refinancing our liabilities, which we have done. And you can see the tables we show you in the material. We've continued to refinance our liabilities tighter, and there is some more scope there for improvement. should also be helpful. And then the second bit is PAR, Principal Repayment to Sealed Equity. That really depends on the quality of an underlying portfolio. It depends on default rates in the loan market. And that is what we spend a lot of time looking at the underlying credit risk of the portfolios. And what we've seen in the last year or so, there's been increased stress in the loan market. Earlier this year, it was driven by the sell-off in software loans related to the AI situation. And that certainly has eased a bit, but there's always other industries, there's concerns around inflation, the interest rates, the war, and all that is going to have impact on certain sectors and certain individual companies. And so we're very vigilant around that. So we'll see how those two, the income and principal components go from here. But those are the two things that CLO equity relies on. But we're hopeful that through increase in income and then through active monitoring of credits and trading of the portfolios, we can continue to focus on improving the principal component of CLO equity as well. So I think those are some of the dynamics there. I mentioned on a previous call that part of the reason why we've had this supply demand and many others. So overall, I think certainly there are factors here that could help mitigate some of the stress in the market. But obviously, all of that depends on how the market progresses from here.
Mickey Schlein
Analyst, Clear Street
So your last point is really interesting. Your view is that we may be reaching a point where the broadly syndicated loan market gets closer to equilibrium as opposed to the over We've been in a situation where there's been far more demand for loans than supply. Am I understanding you correctly?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yes, I think that's our hope. Certainly, we are seeing this significant amount of private equity, capital, the M&A activity that picked up earlier this year, again, in the last couple of months has slowed down. But the demand for loan capital, the supply of loans, Capital is certainly there. All these industries that need to be financed, the AI trade certainly needs capital as well. Some of that is going to come from the loan market. I think the issuance of loans, assuming the market overall stays relatively healthy, is going to be there. The demand for loans, which comes from CLO creation, that has slowed down in the last quarter. We're seeing, I think there's going to be pressure on on managers to raise captive capital. It's not easy to raise that money anymore. And as those older funds get fully deployed, we hope that, again, helps bring the two sides into more of a balance. But I think that's something we're going to watch very carefully. And if that happens, then that certainly would be helpful to improving the arbitrage and silos. In fact, we have seen in the last month or two and others, new issue CLOs are becoming more attractive. As you know, we haven't really been active in the new issue space for the whole year. Almost all of our buying in SPMC has been in the secondary market. But in the last couple of months, we have started to become more, you know, feel positive about new issue dynamics and that certainly would be helpful as well as we move forward from here.
Mickey Schlein
Analyst, Clear Street
If that's the case, Ujjaval, then what accounts for the continued decline in your NAV? Your October estimated NAV is down approximately another 6% to 7%, which would imply that the sort of supportive dynamics you're talking about, at least in October, didn't come into play. Can you help me understand the October NAV and relate that to your comments?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Sure, sure. I think the factor that really impacts the NAV of equity is the market price. And as you know, unlike other kind of closed-end vehicles, the CLO equity space is mark-to-market. We actually get third-party marks for every position we own in SPMC, and these are based on real trading levels of CLI equities. So you really have to factor in the investor's sentiment on CLI equity side. That's been fairly weak. So there's been a technical issue there. We haven't seen too much capital jump into the secondary equity space. I guess part of the reason is people have been hurt in CLI equity. Returns haven't been great, as you pointed out earlier. and so a lot of the money has kind of exited the market and stayed on the sidelines until that money comes back in and starts to find CLI attractive, equity attractive enough. That, you know, is going to continue to put some downward pressure on equity pricing. So what I was talking about earlier was the cash flows, right? Income and principal. So those are the things that really at the end of the day matter. But while we get to that point, we have to contend with market prices, how the market actually values CLO equity. And that has been under technical pressure all year and continues to be the case right now. So that's what you saw in October was just widening in CLO equity spreads, which led to production in the NAV of the portfolio. So those are two separate things. And we have to obviously manage both of them. But at the end of the day, you know, Our main focus is the fundamentals and making sure that the cash flows are healthy and the risk levels are strong in our portfolio. The NAV is certainly kind of an external factor that's based on where CLO Equity is trading. And that, you know, I think, you know, given that it's year end, there's just a lot less activity there. And that's really been a factor there.
Mickey Schlein
Analyst, Clear Street
So the bids are weak and it sounds like you're arguing that The markets mispricing CLO equity, given your, I guess, what I would call a relatively optimistic outlook.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yes, and CLO equity looks very attractive right now, given where things are pricing with trading. So we think that that represents a good, strong entry point, I think, for CLO equity. And we feel that at some point, as investors start to appreciate that relative to other asset classes, that certainly will welcome that capital coming back to this market. That should be certainly helpful for us. And that's really what's held us back all year long. So now for that to change, you need to see some time period of relative stability in underlying loan spreads. When you have loan spreads coming down month after month for the last 18 months. Obviously, that doesn't give anybody comfort. So as you start to see that sort of bottom out and hopefully improve, if you can sort of see loan default rates stay contained and general market sentiment, overall macro sentiment staying healthy, those are the three components you need for people to feel comfortable with CLI equity again. So we're hopeful that that changes at some point. Until that changes, the NAV is going to be volatile and we just have to managed that.
Mickey Schlein
Analyst, Clear Street
I understand, and I appreciate your patience with me. One final question. Could you give us a sense of, to the extent that new CLOs are being created, any estimate of what is represented by captive funds?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, it's still almost all driven by captive funds. There are You know, I think the numbers again, these are not exact numbers, but anecdotally, we have heard that it's 90 plus percent driven by captive funds all year long and sort of third party equity has stayed relatively inactive. There are a bunch of warehouses that are open, many with third party capital, but they're not really kind of deploying that capital actively right now. As I mentioned earlier, we've done one new issue investment ourselves this year, and we're evaluating a few other transactions in the market. I think that number is going to increase for third-party equity as loan spreads increase and zero liabilities remain relatively tight. I think that arbitrage is starting to look interesting, but we're not quite there yet. So right now, to answer your question, it's still driven predominantly by captive equity.
Mickey Schlein
Analyst, Clear Street
I understand. Appreciate your time this morning and for taking my questions. Thank you. Of course, Mickey. Thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Gaurav Mehta with Alliance Global Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Gaurav Mehta
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to ask you if you could provide some color on the portfolio rotation that you had in the quarter. What were the yields on the investment that you sold? And then how much more opportunity is there within your portfolio to sell more assets and redeploy in the secondary investment?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yes, I got it. So I think Last quarter, we did sort of exactly what we've been doing all year, which is looking at the underlying credit dynamics of each of the CLO portfolios we own and evaluating whether we want to rotate out of some of the positions where we feel there is more downside. And that trend has continued. I think we've disclosed some stats in terms of what we've been trading for the quarter. And I can point to that second. So we purchased about $24 million of equity in the secondary market with a gap yield of 19% for the quarter. So fairly active. We've sold about seven investments for about $26 million. So that's just been our rotation. In each of these rotations, what we have done is improved our and many others. So that's really the behind the rotation. We've also added, you know, 4 million plus in investments in the reset market. So whenever we have a position that goes through a reset, we in some cases have to inject capital at very attractive levels. And we've done some of that as well. So we expect to continue doing that going forward. Last couple of months, the market, at least last month, the market has been are fairly quiet. Usually that happens when there are payments. October was a payment month, so October was a fairly quiet month in the secondary market. But as we see opportunity, we will continue to rotate our portfolio. I think, as I said before, the levers we can pull is rotating our portfolio through secondary market trading. Also, the refinancing activity in a liability, that can be helpful. and also, you know, unwinding CLOs. So we have given, we have control equity position in many of our investments. We have been fairly active in doing that as well, where we see better value in taking cash back. We can force and unwind and we've done that in a number of locations and then redeployed that capital in other secondary investments. Also, as I said earlier, we are reviewing new issue equity as well. So we're going to, have all those options available for us.
Gaurav Mehta
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
Thanks for those details. Second question, maybe if you can discuss how you guys are viewing your dividend in comparison to where NII and net investment income per share is.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, no, that's a great question. Something we've been very focused on, given that the NII has come down significantly over the last several quarters. So as you know, in the previous quarter. So not this particular quarter, but the one before that, we were generating around $0.08 per share per month of NII. That number last quarter that just ended in September, we were able to get it up to just above $0.09 a share. And then the October numbers we just released, we are at about $0.11 a share. So we have been steadily increasing that NII. Hopefully you see that as well. on your side. And the way we've been doing that is through active rotation of the portfolio, reducing risk, improving yield, improving gap yield, refinancing the liabilities, and then just a natural improvement in loan spreads, which haven't fully materialized yet. I think there is more to come, as I mentioned, the dynamics in the loan market earlier. there's been some improvements. Loan spreads have gone from 300 to 302 now and slowly moving back up. But that's a long road in front of us. But I think those are some of the things we have done and we continue to do. So I think we're halfway to getting to 13 cents, which is eight to nine, then 11. And now we're almost there, but we're working hard to continue to improve. And again, our goal is to try to cover our dividend through generating enough NII. So we're working on the asset side. Obviously, on our expense of our company, we've been very focused on that as well. We're trying to reduce any expenses we can, whether that's sort of admin expenses, other costs. We've also, as you know, We have reduced our management fees and incentive fees, agreed to a waiver to reduce the fees for six months. And so I think all those things have been helpful to try to bridge the gap between what the market is able to give us versus what we're paying out in dividend. And we're hopeful we can continue to narrow that gap further.
Gaurav Mehta
Analyst, Alliance Global Partners
All right. Thanks for those details. That's all I had.
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Okay, great. Thanks, Gaurav.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Eric Zwick with Lucid Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Justin
Representative for Eric Zwick, Lucid Capital Markets
Hi, good morning. This is Justin. I'm for Eric today. Any specific sector or industry exposure that drove the realized losses this quarter? And then maybe on the other side of that, are there any sectors where you're seeing better opportunities than others?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
Hey, Justin. Thanks for the question. So I think that the realized losses weren't specific to a sector. As you know, we're selling trading CLO equity positions, which are backed by portfolios of loans. So there are all sorts of sectors within the underlying CLOs. Our main focus when we sell something is to reduce our tail risk going forward and try to improve the running yield as much as we can. and so that's what drove those trades and some of those trades end up realizing a loss versus relative to the cost of those investments. But I think our goal is to focus again on the income we can generate and the yields going forward and so that's kind of natural given the market is fairly soft, it's natural that you're gonna have trading at discounted levels which will end up resulting in realized losses but the goal is to do that to improve the performance going forward. So that's really what drove that. In terms of sector exposure and sector focus, certainly we, you know, very focused on the underlying credit risk. We've done a lot of work throughout the year and continue to do it now, working with all the different managers, working with our own SoundPoint credit team to look at the underlying sectors to understand the dynamics there. some of the sectors that have, you know, driven some underperformance in the loan market this year have been obviously the high-tech software sector that we've talked about, the AI impact of software names. Because of inflation, there's been underperformance in building materials. You know, retail certainly has suffered. And chemicals has also been underperforming this year. And there's been some weakness in some media telecom names as well. So I think that's where the focus has been to re-underwrite some of those sectors and names. Some of the other sectors that have done relatively well, healthcare, financial services, energy utilities, those sectors have been pretty strong. So again, focus is really on continuing to work through that and be overweight on some of those sectors that are more defensive and better positioned. So it's an ongoing task. Every week we try to We underwrite everything and try to figure out where we want to place our bets. And so those are some of the sectors that we are favoring. And certainly the software sector is a concern. However, many of the software companies continue to produce good earnings. So a lot of this is more a big picture concern, a future concern of impact of AI on some of these sectors. and the underlying companies continue to perform well. So we're not seeing necessarily an increase in default rates. It's really where loans are trading and that's something we incorporate in our analysis as we think about managing our portfolio.
Justin
Representative for Eric Zwick, Lucid Capital Markets
Got it. That's helpful. And, you know, you touched on cost controls. You know, do you anticipate extending the fee waiver beyond the December 31 expiration? Or are there any other, you know, similar levels you can pull there to kind of support and add per share going forward?
Ujjaval Desai
Chief Executive Officer
No, I think we're going to evaluate that with our board, you know, on our next board meeting in January. We don't have a specific plan for that right now. Our main focus is to improve the NII, which we are working very hard to do, and you've seen the results of that already. So we'll evaluate that and see where we end up on that. But at this point, again, the focus is to get the NII up, certainly continue to keep an eye on the costs so that we can make sure the structure is as efficient as possible. Great, that's all for me today. Thanks for taking my questions. Great, thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
There are no further questions at this time. This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.