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Waste Connections, Inc. Q3 F2026 Earnings Call Transcript
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Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Waste Connections, Inc. Q3 2026 earnings call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. I will now hand the call over to Ron Mittelstaedt, President and CEO. Ron, please go ahead.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Thank you, Operator, and good morning. I would like to welcome everyone to this conference call to discuss our third quarter results and increased outlook for 2026, along with some thoughts about the setup for 2027. I am joined this morning by members of our senior management team, including our CFO, Mary Anne Whitney, who will first provide our forward-looking disclaimer and other housekeeping items.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Thank you, Ron, and good morning. The discussion during today's call includes forward-looking statements made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including forward-looking information within the meaning of applicable Canadian securities laws. Actual results could differ materially from those made in such forward-looking statements due to various risks and uncertainties. Factors that could cause actual results to differ are discussed both in the cautionary statement included in our October 21st earnings release and in greater detail on Waste Connections filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and the Securities Commissions or similar regulatory authorities in Canada. You should not place undue reliance on forward-looking statements as there may be additional risks of which we are not presently aware or that we currently believe are immaterial, which could have an adverse impact on our business. We make no commitment to revise or update any forward-looking statements in order to reflect events or circumstances that may change after today's date. On the call, we will discuss non-GAAP measures such as adjusted EBITDA, adjusted net income on both the dollar basis and per diluted share, and adjusted free cash flow. Please refer to our earnings releases for a reconciliation of such non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures. Management uses certain non-GAAP measures to evaluate and monitor the ongoing financial performance of our operations. Other companies may calculate these non-GAAP measures differently. I will now turn the call back over to Ron.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Thank you, Mary Anne. We are extremely pleased to deliver third quarter results above expectations, setting up another increase to our full year outlook and demonstrating once again the durability of our model, regardless of the macroeconomic environment. Most notably, underlying margin expansion of 50 basis points drove adjusted EBITDA margin of 34% despite surging diesel costs late in the quarter. Solid waste organic growth in Q3, including core pricing of 5.5%, plus fuel and material surcharges of 1.3%. On average yield of 4.3%, unit volumes declined, eased to 1.2%, a sequential improvement of 70 basis points from Q2, primarily as a result of a pickup in more cyclical landfill volumes, with Q3 special waste up 7% year-over-year and construction and demolition debris up 5%. We are also encouraged by trends in our other lines of business. We saw continued strength in E&P waste revenue, up another 6% sequentially, and in certain recycled commodities, including OCC, where values have improved in each of the past three quarters to now up 35% from year-end levels. Additionally, we are benefiting from increased renewable natural gas generation from the new facilities we have brought online, as we have discussed earlier this year. Moving next to M&A. Year to date, acquisitions of $130 million in annualized revenues include two West Coast solid waste collection franchises closed during Q3. The pipeline remains robust with dialogue ongoing that will result in the closing of additional transactions later this year or early in 2027. With liquidity of over $1 billion and leverage remaining at about 2.75 times debt to adjusted EBITDA, We continue to have capacity for outsized acquisition activity while funding our growth strategy, sustainability related projects, and expanding our return of capital to shareholders. As announced yesterday, our Board of Directors authorized a 10% increase to our regular quarterly per share cash dividend, our 16th consecutive double digit increase since the initiation of our dividend in 2010. Year to date, we have completed record levels of share repurchases totaling over 1 billion or 2.5% of shares outstanding, as we have and will continue to take an opportunistic approach to buybacks. Additionally, as highlighted in our recently released 2026 sustainability report, we remain on track to achieve our long-term aspirational sustainability related targets. Since 2018, we've invested over $500 million and others. We continue to enjoy the results from three years of improvement in employee retention and, most importantly, record safety performance. Our continued progress and ongoing investments in sustainability related projects reflect our commitment to the environment, our employees and the communities we are truly privileged to serve. We consider these efforts an enduring part of our corporate culture, rather than a program with a defined endpoint, as we view sustainability as integral to our strategy for long-term value creation. And now I'd like to pass the call to Mary Anne to review more in depth the financial highlights of the third quarter, our increased full year 2026 outlook, and what that implies for Q4. I will then provide some preliminary thoughts about 2027 before heading into Q&A.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Thank you, Ron. Third quarter revenue of $2.638 billion exceeded our expectations and was up $180 million or 7.3% year over year. Contributions from acquisitions netted divestitures totaled $53 million in the quarter. Organic growth in solid waste collection, transfer, and disposal was led by 5.5% core price which range from below 4% in our mostly exclusive market western region to above 6% in our competitive regions. Fuel and material surcharges of approximately $30 million or 1.3% stepped up sequentially from Q2 by about 20% reflecting higher diesel costs in Q3 and they will continue to be impacted by the pace and magnitude of changes in diesel pricing. Yield of 4.3% on solid waste unit volumes down 1.2% reflect the following year-over-year results in the third quarter on the same store basis. Roll-off polls were down about 2.5% on rates per poll up 5.5%. Consistent with activity in recent quarters, polls were down year-over-year in all regions except in the western U.S. where polls were up 2.5%. Landfill tons were up 3% on rates per ton up about 4%. Q3 reflects a step up from Q2 when landfill tons were effectively flat year-over-year. And it represents the first quarter in the past two years during which all three waste types showed year-over-year improvement, MSW, C&D, and special waste. Activity was led by strong special waste in C&D tons along with a nominal increase in MSW. Special Waste was up 7% in Q3 on multiple jobs across many geographies, ranging from New York and Pennsylvania in the northeast to Oregon in our western region. C&D towns were up 5% on similarly widespread increases, most notably in our southern region, led by Texas, and in California in the west. Looking at other lines of business, as Ron noted, E&P waste revenue continued to ramp during Q3. Year-over-year organic growth of about 5% was led by a 9% increase in the U.S., most notably in the Permian, where rig count has increased by about 10% since early this year. Activity in Canada, while more production-oriented and therefore considered less sensitive to crude values, remained about flat year-over-year when normalized for an outsized remediation project in the prior year. Moving to other commodity-related revenues, Recycling revenues were up about 12% year-over-year, driven by higher OCC values, particularly offset by ongoing weakness in plastics. Landfill gas sales were up 35% year-over-year due to the combination of higher volumes from new R&G facilities and higher values for RIMS, up about 10% year-over-year to an average of about $2.50. Adjusted EBITDA for Q3 as reconciled in our earnings release was $895.8 million, up 7.9% year-over-year. At 34% of revenue, our adjusted EBITDA margin was up 20 basis points year-over-year. Excluding a margin drag of about 30 basis points for higher fuel costs, underlying adjusted EBITDA margin was up 50 basis points. Said another way, adjusted EBITDA margin would have been 34.3%. Excluding Fuel Impacts. Once again, our outsides underlying solid waste margin expansion reflected favorable price-cost spread dynamics magnified by benefits from employee retention and safety, most notably savings and risk management costs. And finally, year-to-date adjusted free cash flow of $1.09 billion was in line with our expectations, and we remain on pace for full-year 2026 outlook of at least $1.4 billion. Given our outperformance in Q3, along with higher fuel costs and expected recovery thereof, as well as incremental contributions from acquisitions and commodities, we are increasing our full-year 2026 outlook as reconciled in our earnings release to revenue of approximately $10.09 billion and adjusted EBITDA of approximately $3.345 billion, or 33.2%. This implies Q4 revenue of about $2.52 billion and adjusted EBITDA margin of 33.3%, up 20 basis points excluding fuel, about as expected in what we knew would be our toughest quarterly comparison versus the prior year period. Our outlook assumes no change in underlying economic trends. The closing of additional acquisitions would provide upside to our increased 2026 outlook, as would further improvement in commodities and related activity. and the timing of recovery of higher fuel costs will also continue to impact results. With that, I will turn the call back over to Ron to provide some preliminary thoughts about 2027 before we head into Q&A.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Thank you, Mary Anne. As we've said, we're extremely pleased once again to raise our outlook on the strength of our operating and financial results, in spite of the magnitude of unexpected headwinds from record diesel rates and ongoing daily macroeconomic uncertainty. The consistency and visibility of our results, most notably in a challenging year like this one, are a validation of the differentiated market selection strategy that has guided Waste Connections since inception 29 years ago, along with our decentralized operating philosophy. We're most grateful for the commitment and dedication of our over 25,000 employees as we recognize that superior execution by empowered local leadership has been and will continue to be a true differentiator. Given the level of engagement of our workforce, we're excited by the early indications from AI-driven applications focused on our operations, recognizing that these returns on these technology investments will be most fully realized by teams knowing how best to put them to use. We're proud of the results we've delivered to date in 2026 and our positioning as we exit the year. In fact, from an operational standpoint, we feel about as good as ever. We've recovered higher fuel costs faster than expected and delivered outsized underlying margin expansion on record safety performance, while also managing the reaction at Chiquita as we expected, bringing new R&G facilities online and integrating another $130 million in acquisitions year to date. We've also returned record amounts of capital to shareholders through opportunistic repurchases and continued double-digit per share dividend growth, all while maintaining low leverage, setting up for continued growth and free cash flow generation. In short, we've honored our commitments, and regardless of market sentiment, we will maintain our focus on what ultimately drives value creation as we continue to lead the industry and adjust to the EBITDA margin and true free cash flow generation. To that end, although we will not provide our formal outlook for 2027 until February, we are able to provide a high level framework, assuming no change in the current economic environment. On that basis, we should be positioned for mid to high single digit revenue growth in 2027 from the combination of about 1% combined rollover from acquisitions already completed and R&G facilities brought online in 2026. Price-led organic growth in solid waste, ongoing fuel and material surcharges, and higher commodity-related revenue from E&P waste and recycling, along with acquisitions that we will complete during the remainder of 26 and throughout 2027. Adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in what we would consider a normalized range from solid waste, with outsized impacts from higher fuel costs at recent levels expected to be largely offset by increased commodity-related tailwinds, depending on the timing and extent of surcharges, and double-digit growth in adjusted free cash flow per share, reflecting the continued declining impact from spend on Chiquita and the substantial completion of our RNG CapEx outlays. These expectations will be impacted by the pace and magnitude of ongoing acquisition activity in 26, and expected to grow during 2027 as we complete additional M&A. To the extent that we see further improvement in commodity values, those impacts would also be additive to these preliminary thoughts, as would ongoing share repurchases. We look forward to providing more detail when we report Q4 and give our formal outlook for 2027 in February. We appreciate your time today. I will now turn this call over to the operator to open up the lines for your questions.
Operator
Operator
Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Please limit yourself to one question. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, please press star one again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are unmuted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Kevin Chiang with CIBC. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC
Thanks for taking my question and good results there, team. Thanks for the framework for 2027 there, Ron. I was wondering if we can get a little bit more color on how you think the cadence of free cash flow conversion trends as we look out maybe into 27 and beyond. You know, you've talked about some of the things that are burdened, that free cash flow conversion the last couple of years, and some of that does get released in 2027. So, you know, if we look at the conversion in 26 is, you know, and ultimately getting to like a high 40% number, is there a way to frame kind of how 2027 might look as we progress along that journey?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Hi, Kevin. It's Mary Anne. In terms of free cash flow, obviously, the piece that we haven't gotten specific on is the extent to which the Chiquita outlays decline, which, of course, we'll provide in our February outlook. But what we do know and made clear is that the RNG spend is substantially complete. So, if you think about that, you know, we said we'd be spending about $75 million this year, and so if that largely doesn't repeat, that's one bucket. And then, again, we'll get specific with Chiquita, but We're looking forward to being able to communicate what the expected decline is in 27 versus 26, the same way we communicated the decline in 26 versus 25. So stay tuned for that. As you said, we think longer term, we ultimately get back to that 48 to 50 percent. We're around 42, so you start bridging that gap, but a little too early to get really specific about where we fall in that range.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Okay, that's super helpful. The only thing I would add is, look, I think the step down on Chiquita from 25 to 26 is exactly in line with as we guided, and I think you can expect a similar type step down for 27.
Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC
Yeah, that's helpful. Just a follow-up question. I noticed in your 10Q this morning, the eastern region had a higher risk management cost. It looked like every other region saw a decline in your prepared... in the prepared comments in the 10Q. Just anything to call it on the eastern region from a risk management cost perspective that made it an outlier in Q3?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
No, there's nothing to call out. What happens is episodically when a claim gets paid out, it actually hits the region. And so you see that dynamic in the quarter when that happens.
Kevin Chiang
Analyst, CIBC
Okay, perfect. Thank you very much.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Noah Kay with Oppenheimer & Co, Inc. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Noah Kay
Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.
Hey, good morning. Maybe just looking at 4Q, it looks like in the guide, the revenue growth would decelerate sequentially by about a point. And so I guess between the higher surcharges, better commodities, and other trends, maybe just understand why 4Q top line growth wouldn't be comparable to 3Q. Any offsets we should be thinking about? Just conservatism.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Yeah, you know, I'd say no, we enjoyed the benefits of that sequential improvement in volumes and all waste streams at our landfills being positive for the first time in several quarters. So a little too early to assume that that continues. So that would just, I guess, to your word, maybe a little conservatism there. You also know that there's always anomalistic differences year over year. and although you didn't specifically ask about margin, you know, a reminder that last year's Q4 was our, it'll be the toughest quarterly comparison and it was strong on a relative basis.
Noah Kay
Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.
Okay, just a quick follow-up to that. Any sign of slowing from the trends in October versus some of the pickup that you saw in the third quarter?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
The only observation would be that while special waste has continued to be positive, and we never generalize from a few weeks of data, but it's good to see that special waste continued to be positive in October. We didn't see a similar increase in C&D. Reminder that these projects are sensitive to things like interest rates and fuel costs, and they're lumpy.
Noah Kay
Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.
Yep. Just a quick one on 27, margin expansion. You know, I think Ron said that normalized for solid waste. And of course, for perspective, I mean, the solid waste margin expansion in the business on an underlying basis has been outstanding the last several years. A lot of that has been driven by the safety gains, the retention improvements. You've talked about the AI initiatives, maybe providing some additional fuel for better margins going forward. And so I'm just wondering how much is baked in for margin expansion underlying in 27 from AI versus sort of normal course WCN Blueprint?
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Sure. Yeah, no, I mean, in that commentary on normalized underlying, we have assumed no benefit or no incremental benefit in 27 is baked in from AI at this point. That's not saying some cannot happen. As you know, we experienced some in 25 and 26 from our initial initiative, which was a pricing initiative, and that has exceeded our expectations. We will, the main three initiatives that tie together that we are working on throughout this year and in through next year. We'll really not be fully deployed, a couple of them, until the end of 27 and one of them until the middle of 28. So, you know, the real beginning impact of the AI initiatives, margin-wise, we'll start to see in 28 and not really realize fully until probably 29.
Noah Kay
Analyst, Oppenheimer & Co., Inc.
Very much looking forward to that. Thank you all.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Faiza Alwi with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Faiza Alwi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank
Yes, hi, good morning. I wanted to ask a little bit more about how you're thinking about 2027, you know, volume and pricing trends. I know that you're probably assuming that, you know, fuel prices stay where they are, but just curious how we should think about, you know, core price versus volume and, and, you know, if you're assuming that volume trends sort of, you know, normalize, stay flat or, you know, still potentially decline in 27.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
We're really not getting granular on all the moving pieces, but clearly, you know, it's cost pressures that inform our thinking about how much price is needed. So, you know, we will certainly continue to look at what we're seeing in the business We know where we've been this past year and to the extent that there's not a material change, it feels like the right ballpark for the way to think about pricing. and we certainly are encouraged by what our tools have done for us in terms of retention, but we're mindful of the pressure on consumers. So all of those things will go into our thinking, but we generally would think of that 150 basis point spread between price and cost, so that's why I started with cost. And we'll go from there, but early days to get to granular.
Faiza Alwi
Analyst, Deutsche Bank
Understood. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Adam Bubas with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Adam Bubas
Analyst, Goldman Sachs
Hi, good morning. On the M&A front, I think you've acquired $130 million of revenue year-to-date. More broadly, if we look at years prior to 2026, say the five years prior, it's characterized by really outsized acquisition activity. Is this sort of 100, 200 million annual acquired revenue contribution, a more reasonable assumption going forward? Or do you see potential to return to the higher levels of activity seen in prior years?
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Yeah, Adam. Well, historically, number one, as you know, we don't guide to acquisition revenue and haven't for two decades now. But 150 to 200 million was sort of a historical, probably, Five to ten year ago average. We have stepped that up as the size of the company and the geography has changed in two countries, et cetera. So, you know, I would tell you that, you know, 200 million is sort of a probably a more normalized low watermark now, whereas before it might have been more of a high watermark. and no, nothing's changed in the strategy or the opportunity. Acquisitions are opportunistic and timing and sellers really control that, not us as acquirers. So it will be very likely as you look out over a three to five year period that it'll look much more similar to the pick at the 22 through 25 timeframe than different from that.
Adam Bubas
Analyst, Goldman Sachs
Great. And then on Chiquita, it's nice to hear that's trending as expected. Are you able to provide any color on sort of the key remediation processes that still need to occur through 2026 and 2027? Just trying to get a sense from an operational standpoint, you know, what needs to happen at the landfill for the liability to be resolved?
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Yeah, I mean, number one, Adam, The remediation at Chiquita is following what we would tell you, and I think experts in the field would tell you, including the EPA, a typical curve of a decelerating ETLF. And there's a lot of statistics that support that, and those go into what we know about the cost structure. Obviously, as the reaction cools with time, You get less leachate generation, therefore you have less leachate disposal costs, and you have less infrastructure such as wells to do, cover to put down over the reaction area, et cetera. So, you know, we began by covering Some 41 acres with a geosynthetic membrane. We've expanded that and buffered what we call the west toe of the landfill this year. That doesn't repeat, as an example, going into 27. So that's an example. We don't drill additional wells, per se. We've drilled some 300 wells. I'm not saying that can't go up five, but it's not going to go up 100. So those are the things that inform our thinking about why it continues to decelerate. So really the main costs are related to leachate management. and as that continues to come down in volume the costs come down put put very simply and and that has happened in 25 and 26 over 25 and it will continue to step down in 27. great thanks so much your next question comes from the line of Tony Kaplan with Morgan Stanley your line is open please go ahead thanks so much
Tony Kaplan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
I was hoping you could talk about volumes in special waste and C&D and maybe also in the past you've had some shedding of contracts more in the resi space and just wondering if you could provide an update there.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Sir, I'll start with the second part of your question, Tony. We continue to see some decline in the amount of shedding. You know, as was a previous question asked, I believe, by Adam, we had quite a bit of M&A activity in 23, 24, and 25. And so it takes, you know, multiple years to come up upon contracts that you may not want to renew. So I'm not saying shedding is certainly that's always happening, but that is declining. And I think Mary Anne will give some color on the first part of your question.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Sure, so Special Waste, I mentioned in the prepared remarks that they were broad based and called out the Northeast, Oregon, Texas, California. in terms of volumes more broadly. And digging into the types of projects we've been seeing, it's not one particular thing. It's everything that ranges by geography, by what's going on there. So you've seen highway projects, infrastructure projects, remediation, data center and chip plants, yes, in some markets like in Texas, and commercial projects. So it really, really runs the gamut. What's encouraging is that broad-based nature of it and the fact that, for instance, 60% of our locations had positive special waste tons in Q3 and four of six of our regions were up. And that's in comparison or in contrast to last quarter, only two of six were up. So that's the way I would characterize it. That's the incremental color I can provide, Tony.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Yeah, and Tony, the only last thing I'd say on that is, you know, on the C&D front and the commercial front, look, historically in our industry, it's taken about 1.5 to 1.8 new housing starts to create organic volume in that business, which then converts to permanent volumes. As you know, This week, that number has been announced. It stepped down to 1.2 million new housing starts and expected to go lower with current interest rates into 27. So I think there is one economy going on with things like Mary Anne just outlined, infrastructure, data center, et cetera, and then there's a residential economy. Construction. That is just really is sort of struggling with what's going on with interest rates and fuel costs and the other thing that affect consumers and contractors.
Tony Kaplan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Thank you. And then on EMP, just high energy prices for a little while now. How are you thinking about the upside there, maybe going into year end as well as potentially next year as well?
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Yeah, well, look, I mean, as we said, A&P continued to step up sequentially once again after stepping up in the second quarter again. So it has continued to improve in both the U.S. and Canada, more so in the U.S. because it is more drilling-oriented in the business versus production in Canada. But, you know, I think... You have to understand that producers are not going to react to what they believe is a short-term stimulus. We have an on-again, off-again hourly war in Iran and the Strait, and that is a short-term believed phenomenon. So you've seen about a 10% increase in drilling activity this year. Some people would think with a 70% increase in crude, you'd see a like increase in drilling. You would if it was believed that was a permanent scenario. That is not the belief of most of the producers at this point in time. If it becomes six months from now, it's sustained, and now it's going on a year and a quarter, that could change that dynamic.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
And Tony, the way I would frame it is when we think about next year, we think that there should be a higher correlation between the pickup and activity in E&P and crude. So said another way, to the extent that crude remains at these elevated levels, we would expect to see more. We'd say what we've seen year to date, even though it's ramped sequentially, really doesn't reflect $100 crude. That's just, you know, rig counts. are still down. They started declining in the first quarter of 24 and have stepped down and they're still down about 50. It's only up 10% since earlier this year. So that's how we think about it and that's what we're communicating with those broad strokes about next year.
Tony Kaplan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley
Terrific. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
As a reminder, please limit yourself to one question. Your next question comes from the line of Jerry Riewicz with Wells Fargo. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Jerry Riewicz
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone. I'm wondering if you just talk about the internalization rates. Nice to see that. 58% in the quarter, you've made good progress on Arrowhead. Can you just update us on where volumes are tracking on rail for you now and looking ahead over the next 12 months as we exit 27? Obviously, a range of possible outcomes, but can you talk about where volumes for the landfill could head to and what that means for your internalization rate 12 months from now.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Sure. I mean, you know, you're referring, Jerry, I believe, fully to our Arrowhead infrastructure, Arrowhead landfill, and our rail infrastructure. Look, we're, you know, we're peaking right now between 7 and 7,500 tons a day, you know, which is – Triple, where we started less than three years ago, two and a half years ago. So we're very, very pleased at that. We have continued to work on infrastructure at our intermodal facilities, which is some of what's required to step that up again. We believe that as we look out over the next 24 months, it's reasonable for us to step Arrowhead up to 8,500 to 9,000 tons. And ultimately, Thank you for joining us. and many more. Thank you very much. and a few places like southern Florida. That's where you're going to see this grow. And Jerry, if I could just add one more comment about internalization because you started there just more broadly.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
You should think in terms of we're at 58%. I know last quarter we were at 60%. The difference there is just the mix of business. And so you should expect us to stay in this 58% to 60% range. That's really no change in internalization. And to that point, our eastern region has actually increased its internalization. So there's nothing else going on there.
Jerry Riewicz
Analyst, Wells Fargo
Super. We'll stick to the one question. Thank you. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Konark Gupta with Scotia Capital. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Konark Gupta
Analyst, Scotia Capital
Thanks and good morning everyone. I just wanted to get back to the 2027 margin outlook. I understand you'll probably provide some more color in February on that, but directionally, Mary Anne, if I'm thinking this right or wrong, let me know please. So for 2017, I mean, usually you guys see 20 to 40 beeps underlying. You've talked about in the past, and this year we have seen that trend to the low end on a net basis because of fuel, I think probably, though we saw some commodity price rebound. So but next year, I mean, if the expectation from the market as fuel to kind of normalize to some degree. Should that be a small tailwind maybe? And then commodity prices, the way they are tracking up now, should that also be a tailwind? And then your RNG EBITDA dollars will likely ramp up, which are higher margins. So I'm just thinking, The 20 to 40 is your standard normal range of margin expansion. Should we be thinking more toward the higher end of the range, or should we be somewhere in between because of some other factors?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Sure. So it's early days, but we would consider fuel continuing to be a headwind. And that's why we're saying, look, underlying cost pressures We feel comfortable thinking in terms of X fuel, that 20 to 40, as you said, is the right way to think about it, but we continue to see headwinds from fuel, and the expectation is that to the extent they do persist, that there should be some correlation between those commodity-driven revenues, which would absorb some of those incremental pressures. If fuel breaks and it's lower, then, you know, it could be a tailwind. But again, what do those other commodities do? So that's why we framed it this way, that the expectation that one would support the other.
Konark Gupta
Analyst, Scotia Capital
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes in the line of Jim Shum with TD Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Jim Shum
Analyst, TD Securities
Hey, thanks and good morning. So I just wanted to talk about the M&A a little bit more. So it's sort of slowed down relative to obviously last year's pace, and I'm just kind of curious is that obviously you're at the mercy of when sellers are willing to sell, right? So I was just curious whether, is it a function of there's not a lot for sale in 2026 or does it have more to do with like, you know, uses of capital where you feel like your stock price is very depressed and you just wanna allocate more capital to buying back stock? How are you thinking about that?
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Yeah, first off, let's break that apart. It has nothing to do with any change or approach to uses of capital. We have adequate, plenty of capital. access and liquidity to do both to almost any degree we want. So no one should read into stepping on the buyback with the stock dislocation as a reason that M&A is slower because that is inaccurate. Look, the reality is we are disciplined buyers. It would be great if all the strategics and non-strategics were that way, But that's not necessarily the case. So, look, not all solid waste is created equal. Not all EBITDA is created equal. There's all kinds of what we would consider poor assets that some companies are scooping up. That's not something we're interested in. And we're not out trying to outpay private equity who has more money to put to work on any deal so they don't have to return it to LPs. and continues to be undisciplined. So when we do less M&A, the market should be happy because that means we were disciplined in that period when others were not. So there's no change to the strategy. The opportunity remains significant. There are timings at M&A ebbs and flows. and, you know, you can be sitting here in a quarter or two and we're on track for what could be a record 27 and, you know, you wonder what happened. What happened was just timing and opportunities and discipline. So, you know, that is what I tell you. But we have ample capital to do everything we've said we're doing.
Jim Shum
Analyst, TD Securities
Okay, thanks, Ron. That's clear. Just a quick clarification question. I know that you guys never guide and include future M&A, as you said, but when you gave the guidance for 2027 revenues, mid to high single-digit revenue growth next year, I believe you also said that it included future M&A or you said something about future M&A. Can you just clarify, does the mid to high single-digit revenue growth include any future M&A?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Yes. So just to clarify, we didn't give guidance. What we gave was a framework for thinking about how next year we'd expect it to play out. And so I think thinking about a normalized amount of acquisition contribution is included in that. So, yeah, if you think of it as kind of that 1 to 2 percent, which would be normalized amount of contribution. That's in that number.
Jim Shum
Analyst, TD Securities
Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you very much.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Chris Murray with ATB Cormac Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormac Capital Markets
Yeah, thanks, folks. Maybe just turning back to the energy business and thinking about this a little bit broadly. Ron, you made the comment that there's still a little uncertainty about what the path of energy prices is going to be like, but there is some discussion around the fact that there's been a lot of infrastructure broken in the Gulf which could cue this be kind of longer. I'm wondering as you're thinking about the energy business and maybe taking half a step back and your positioning in it, I know in recent years you've added to Canada, you've got the traditional more landfill-oriented business. in the US South. You've added RNG. I'm just kind of thinking about, you know, as we think over the next two to three years, what's your perspective on either growing the energy business or changing the mix in the portfolio? And how do you think about the opportunity set around that? Because while it's a smaller piece of revenue, it is a pretty high incremental and decremental margin.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Yeah. Well, look, Chris, I think, look, First and foremost, in both the US and Canada, we are a disposal-oriented E&P company. We don't do transportation. We don't do field services. We're not interested in low margin, highly competitive pieces of the business. We're predominantly a landfill and processing company in both countries. Canada is production oriented. The U.S. is drilling oriented. The reason we did that two years ago was to balance that portfolio. Right now, E&P, again, I'm rounding, is going to be 6% to 7% of revenue, a little higher than that because of the margins in EBITDA. That will continue to grow. We'll continue to do tuck-in deals in both the U.S. and Canada. But it will actually come down over time as a percentage of revenue because the corpus of the other 93%, Thank you for joining us. Cash on Cash Return Business. But look, while it's great on the margins, it does have volatility. We acknowledge that. That's why we think that's the right size for it. And it can move with crude. So it's, again, why we like balancing it to 50-50 with the Canadian business we did on the production side. So, you know, it's a long-winded answer to your question. I'm sorry, but we're not out there looking for some outsized deal in E&P, and we're not looking to diversify what we do in E&P at this point.
Chris Murray
Analyst, ATB Cormac Capital Markets
Okay. I'll leave it there. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Trevor Romeo with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Trevor Romeo
Analyst, William Blair
Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I was hoping we could maybe go back with volume for a second and dig into the data center opportunity just because I think, Mary Anne, you called it out as being a boost in areas like Texas. So just curious, I mean, is there any way to think about maybe quantitatively how much of a boost data center construction is giving you at this stage? And then just thinking about the growth of data centers that could happen in the next several years, maybe how meaningful that could be for volume growth in the future? Yeah, Trevor.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
First off, whatever we would tell you, it would be a guess. And it's probably best not to do that. I mean, as you know, while a data center is a huge capital investment, no matter what the size, and has a lot of activity during construction, once it's actually constructed, you know, they probably produce an eight yarder of trash a week because they got, you know, 10 people. So it's not something that converts into some big commercial or industrial waste or recycling opportunity. It's more of a front end construction opportunity. So, you know, in markets like Texas, in markets like Virginia, Utah, which we're actually not in, where we're seeing Oklahoma, Tennessee, we're seeing some of this construction of these sites. It is a boost. It comes in sometimes as some special waste, but more as C&D waste on the construction side. But we would just be guessing to try and tell you what that could be. You know, could it be 20 bps of volume or something? I mean, you know, we don't want to sit here and say it's 1% of volume growth or something. If it is, that'd be great, but I'd expect it to be more, you know, 20 to 40 bps of volume growth.
Trevor Romeo
Analyst, William Blair
Okay, that's helpful. Thank you, Ron.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of John Windham with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
John Windham
Analyst, UBS
Okay, perfect. Congratulations on the result. Thanks for taking all the questions. You touched on interest rates a little bit earlier. Maybe Mary Anne or Ron, at least on my numbers, you don't have a lot of refinancing in 2027, but can you talk about the debt maturity profile and your approach to refinancing on the debt side. Thanks.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Sure. So we're about 80-20 fixed-uploading with a weighted average tenor of about eight years and an average cost of debt of about 4%. And no near-term maturities. We'll continue to look. I mean, we had good timing this year, last year when we put issued notes, and we'll continue to try to be opportunistic. but don't have a lot of exposure.
Konark Gupta
Analyst, Scotia Capital
Perfect. Appreciate it. Thank you, John.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Shlomo Rosenbaum with Stifel. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst, Stifel
Hi. Thank you very much for taking my question. I want to ask you to think through a little bit and help us out in terms of your expectations for diesel cost generated inflation going into 2027. And how are you thinking about that? Are you expecting labor costs to go up because of that, because of the cost of living going up? How are you thinking about potential for customers to push back on pricing because of this? And then just kind of the internal inflation kind of the second derivative where companies will start to charge you more for the things that they're sending you because of the cost of diesel. If you can just kind of walk us through that and how we should think about that in 27.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Sure. So we're certainly sensitive to the fact that we've talked about the direct impacts of Higher Fuel that we're buying and third-party fuel surcharges like third-party brokerage. But, Shlomo, we're certainly watching carefully and have seen some cost creep that we believe is related to Higher Fuel. I mean, everything that's delivered to us has a slightly higher sticker price now, whether it's parts and materials, building and property, our CapEx, repairs. We are seeing that. And the good news is we came into the year well positioned for outside underlying margin expansion. So that hasn't been an issue we've highlighted. But it certainly informs our thinking about how much price we need going into next year. And that's why over the next few months, that'll really crystallize for us. And then to your question about sensitivity, we've talked about that. Depending on the market, we believe there is some sensitivity, especially given the fact that smaller players may not have imposed fuel surcharges, for instance. And the good news is we've seen better than expected retention and lower rollbacks as a result of our pricing tools. You know, it's helpful to have smarter, more selective price increases that can make a difference as well. But we're absolutely mindful of the incremental pressure that's out there.
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst, Stifel
Okay. And then just if you don't mind, how are you dealing with that in terms of your forward contracts? Because I think historically, you know, you future buy, you use forwards for maybe 50% of diesel, given where prices are. Does that still make sense for next year? Or does that kind of lock you into something where it might go down?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Well, you know, there we try to be opportunistic on hedging, and clearly the past year hasn't given us much opportunity to get locks on for 27. So that's another thing we'll watch and observe because, to your point, you know, does it make sense at these levels or is there an opportunity to remain floating to take advantage of lower fuel? So we'll continue to evaluate that.
Shlomo Rosenbaum
Analyst, Stifel
All right. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Tammy Zachariah with JP Morgan India Private LTD. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Tammy Zachariah
Analyst, J.P. Morgan India Private Ltd
Hey, good morning. Thank you so much. It's a two-part question. I think I heard Mary Anne say that maybe next year E&P growth should correlate with increased drilling activity. So should we expect E&P to outgrow the mid to high single-digit enterprise growth framework you mentioned for next year? And then related to R&G, given most of the investments will be largely done by this year, could you remind us what revenue and EBIT attrition you would expect incrementally in 2027?
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
So, as you can appreciate, Tammy, we've provided a framework for next year, so we're really not getting specific on that. The comment about the correlation to higher fuel was Really to make two points. One is even though E&P has been up this year, we'd say it doesn't reflect, you know, $100 crude. You know, we've seen some increase in rig count. But again, whatever the reason that, you know, there's an expectation that it's not sustained or whatever that reason is, we would argue that we really haven't seen a material increase. and the observation would be that as we think about next year, we don't know exactly what fuel is going to do, but what we're saying is that we would expect when we gave that framework, it has an expectation that there is a higher correlation. But again, I wouldn't read through that to say that runs contrary to expectations about what percentage of the overall mix it is, et cetera. It's just too early for any of that discussion.
Tammy Zachariah
Analyst, J.P. Morgan India Private Ltd
Thank you. And about RNG-related revenue, you can drop for next year.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Oh, again, what we said was that there would be about a one point associated with the rollover contribution from acquisitions and those new RNG facilities. So that implies somewhere around the $40 million type of range. on R&G. And I'd say the margin contribution will be a function of where we really are in startup and shakedown on any of those newer facilities and to the extent to which costs have normalized. But again, early days to be getting too granular on outlook we haven't yet provided. Understood. Thank you.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Toby Sommer with Truist. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Toby Sommer
Analyst, Truist
Thanks. I wanted to ask you a question about Chiquita, but not sort of the near term. But with your experience that you've gained over the last three plus years, how would a future event perhaps be different in scope and or cost as a result of changes you put in place and the learnings that you've accumulated?
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
Well, first, I think the answer to that is two different things. Number one, it would be different in a material way because it would not be in California. And so that will drop the scope and cost 90 to 95 percent. So let's just full stop with that. That's why you don't hear about these anywhere else in the country through the public companies while they're going on in real time in many locations because they're not material. So this is material because of where it's at. Now, what did we learn through this? That would also help drive down the cost of any future ETLFs, should we have them, wherever they would be, because we've learned things through this three plus year process that we have put in place. through centralized well monitoring, incremental more rapid leachate extraction, incremental gas well installation as temperatures rise to a lower level. And by the way, temperatures rise at landfills for dozens and dozens of reasons that have nothing to do with an ETLF. So the reality is the learnings would drive down the future, But the main driver, if anyone were to happen anywhere, it would be de minimis relative to Chiquita because it wouldn't be in California.
Toby Sommer
Analyst, Truist
Thanks for the clear answer.
Operator
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Brian Bergmeier with Citi. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Brian Bergmeier
Analyst, Citi
Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question, Mary Anne. just on guidance for 26. So EBITDA guidance I think is up maybe 30 million or so since the start of the year, but free cash flow guidance I think is mostly unchanged. Is there just an easy way to kind of explain maybe some of the moving pieces around cash that prevented that flow through? I'm not sure if there's some bigger items or some kind of smaller nickels and dimes along the way. Thanks.
Mary Anne Whitney
CFO
Yeah, I mean, certainly the biggest change would be interest since we bought a billion, spent a billion dollars on share repurchases. So our interest expense has gone up by about 40 million.
Brian Bergmeier
Analyst, Citi
Okay, got it. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'll go ahead and turn it over.
Operator
Operator
We have reached the end of the Q&A session. I will now turn the call back to Ron Mittelstaedt for closing remarks.
Ron Mittelstaedt
President and CEO
If there are no further questions, on behalf of our entire management team, we appreciate your listening to and interest in the call today. Mary Anne and Joe Box are available today to answer any direct questions that we did not cover that we are allowed to answer under Regulation FD, Reg G, and applicable securities laws in Canada. Thank you again, and we look forward to connecting with you at upcoming investor conferences or on our next earnings call.
Operator
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.